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  Topic: THE Canada Thread (merged)
LoneSnark

Replies: 553
Views: 5570

PostForum: Americas Discussion   Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:09 pm   Subject: Re: American Refugees Flooding Into Canada
zoidberg, it is pure hubris on your part to suggest Americans would flee to Canada.

Canada and America are so interconnected that any eventually that renders America worthy of fleeing would be equ ...
  Topic: THE Canada Thread (merged)
LoneSnark

Replies: 553
Views: 5570

PostForum: Americas Discussion   Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 2:36 pm   Subject: Re: American Refugees Flooding Into Canada
This story is false. The refugees being discussed are not Americans but primarily Mexican illegal immigrants fleeing the U.S. for fear of deportation. The Canadian article quotes:
"I don't believe th ...
  Topic: 10 cents a cup
LoneSnark

Replies: 12
Views: 1115

PostForum: Economics & Finance   Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 8:41 am   Subject: Re: 10 cents a cup
What oil shortage? Anyone can get all the oil they want for $102 a barrel. 'Shortages' are a peculiar occurance existing during sudden disasters and during government price controls.

As long as th ...
  Topic: CNN Discusses Inflationary Depression With Bank Failures
LoneSnark

Replies: 37
Views: 3508

PostForum: Economics & Finance   Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 7:15 pm   Subject: Re: CNN Discusses Inflationary Depression With Bank Failures
Alan Greenspan's latest book has a very good insider perspective of the 1987 credit freeze. But it is an odd feature of economics literature that while stock markets have been studied to death, there ...
  Topic: Will Food Prices Collapse?
LoneSnark

Replies: 222
Views: 14120

PostForum: Economics & Finance   Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 7:21 pm   Subject: Re: Will Food Prices Collapse?
Are you sure about that?

Are you saying that there would be the same quantity of condominiums built if developers couldn't borrow money to build them?
No. If 'credit' was outlawed tomorrow then I ...
  Topic: A good reason why oil prices won't drop too much
LoneSnark

Replies: 4
Views: 938

PostForum: Economics & Finance   Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 8:16 am   Subject: Re: A good reason why oil prices won't drop too much
Slavery was a competitive enterprise consisting of many competing firms. While the market price of all slaves at the height of U.S. slavery was many times annual GDP, the situation is no different fro ...
  Topic: Will Food Prices Collapse?
LoneSnark

Replies: 222
Views: 14120

PostForum: Economics & Finance   Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 10:33 pm   Subject: Re: Will Food Prices Collapse?
Not if the lifestyle is based on the availability of easy credit that could dry up overnight.
True, but only for the individual. the money you borrowed for your TV came from someone else that chose ...
  Topic: Will Food Prices Collapse?
LoneSnark

Replies: 222
Views: 14120

PostForum: Economics & Finance   Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 10:54 am   Subject: Re: Will Food Prices Collapse?
Your equation is true if and only if human population has grown to maximize the available energy + technology. That school teachers are taking their families on cruises in the carribean we know this i ...
  Topic: CNN Discusses Inflationary Depression With Bank Failures
LoneSnark

Replies: 37
Views: 3508

PostForum: Economics & Finance   Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:19 pm   Subject: Re: CNN Discusses Inflationary Depression With Bank Failures
I noted this elsewhere, but did anyone else notice that British banks completely stopped loaning to each other for a while on Monday? Is such a spontaneous freeze common?
Every decade or so. Why?
  Topic: 70s 30s 1890s ??
LoneSnark

Replies: 37
Views: 4342

PostForum: Peak Oil Discussion   Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 8:23 am   Subject: Re: 70s 30s 1890s ??
What is the oldest electronic device you currently use?
My parents have a microwave from 1981. They bought it at the PX in Germany and have continued to use it ever-since. We also have an Apple IIc f ...
  Topic: Questions on peak oil and financial crash
LoneSnark

Replies: 8
Views: 909

PostForum: Economics & Finance   Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:48 am   Subject: Re: Questions on peak oil and financial crash
The current financial situation has nothing to do with peak oil. It will blow over in a year or three.

That said, high oil prices are not here to stay. It is a fact of life that no economy can esc ...
  Topic: 70s 30s 1890s ??
LoneSnark

Replies: 37
Views: 4342

PostForum: Peak Oil Discussion   Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 12:53 am   Subject: Re: 70s 30s 1890s ??
A few years? You are making the opposite mistake by being over pessimistic. A growing quantity of electronics no longer use transformers, opting instead for switched-mode power supplies which do not c ...
  Topic: 70s 30s 1890s ??
LoneSnark

Replies: 37
Views: 4342

PostForum: Peak Oil Discussion   Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 2:46 pm   Subject: Re: 70s 30s 1890s ??
mos6507, you are absolutely right.

I was not thinking they would be using the batteries in the laptops, I presumed it would be direct power during the day, or perhaps with acid bath batteries.
...
  Topic: I am very worried about oil prices.
LoneSnark

Replies: 32
Views: 3709

PostForum: Peak Oil Discussion   Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 3:02 pm   Subject: Re: I am very worried about oil prices.
To the best of my knowledge only third world governments have implimented price controls, and without them shortages are very hard to come by. As such, to say the price does not matter as long as it i ...
  Topic: 70s 30s 1890s ??
LoneSnark

Replies: 37
Views: 4342

PostForum: Peak Oil Discussion   Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 2:42 pm   Subject: Re: 70s 30s 1890s ??
Concerned, like I said, technology is not as fragile as you pretend. A ravaged African country does not have any of the infrastructure you speak of, yet the citizens have and operate cell phones.

...
 
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