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  Topic: The Mother of all Biofuels Debates II (large scale)
Optimist

Replies: 459
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PostForum: Energy Technology   Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 7:48 pm   Subject: Re: The Mother of all Biofuels Debates II (large scale)
Well Pete, I guess there is no convincing you then. The facts can obviously not overcome your faith in PO. Too bad.

The facts (including the thermodynamics) prove that:
1. We get enough energy fro ...
  Topic: The Mother of all Biofuels Debates II (large scale)
Optimist

Replies: 459
Views: 20867

PostForum: Energy Technology   Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 5:31 pm   Subject: Re: The Mother of all Biofuels Debates II (large scale)
As I said, "some of you won't believe any of these facts". Note there is a link to support the 0.2% number. So go ahead, make fun of it. It does not change the facts. Something most of you POers seem ...
  Topic: The Mother of all Biofuels Debates II (large scale)
Optimist

Replies: 459
Views: 20867

PostForum: Energy Technology   Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 4:35 pm   Subject: Re: The Mother of all Biofuels Debates II (large scale)
I know Pete. You make some comical utterances yourself. Seldom factual. Never factual that does not involve the names Pimentel or Patzek.

Come on, people. I put some facts out there. Haven't seen a ...
  Topic: The Mother of all Biofuels Debates II (large scale)
Optimist

Replies: 459
Views: 20867

PostForum: Energy Technology   Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 4:31 pm   Subject: Re: The Mother of all Biofuels Debates II (large scale)
No Shannymara, no need to go to zero growth anytime soon.

Let us take a step back and look at the larger picture: "So humans used the equivalent of less than 0.2% of the Sun's energy striking the E ...
  Topic: The Mother of all Biofuels Debates II (large scale)
Optimist

Replies: 459
Views: 20867

PostForum: Energy Technology   Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 4:10 pm   Subject: Re: The Mother of all Biofuels Debates II (large scale)
According to DOE and USDA, the US has enough forestry and agricultural waste to replace a third of its petroleum use ...Note to fact seekers: no new resources required - most of these wastes are alrea ...
  Topic: The Mother of all Biofuels Debates II (large scale)
Optimist

Replies: 459
Views: 20867

PostForum: Energy Technology   Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 3:32 pm   Subject: Re: The Mother of all Biofuels Debates II (large scale)
Yeah, converting food-to-fuel is a dumb as rocks. Unfortunately, half our elected leaders are dumb as rocks. The other half are eager to play along and send more money to those obliging Midwest voters ...
  Topic: The Mother of all Biofuels Debates (large scale)
Optimist

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Views: 97069

PostForum: Energy Technology   Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 7:59 pm   Subject: Re: The Mother of all Biofuels Debates (large scale)
There is a world of difference between PRIMARY FUELS and CARRIER FUELS. Primary fuels are the basic starting materials for the energy business. Crude oil, coal and natural gas are examples of PRIMARY ...
  Topic: Biojetfuel to be tested
Optimist

Replies: 45
Views: 4631

PostForum: Energy Technology   Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 2:10 pm   Subject: Re: Biojetfuel to be tested
If the utter moronitude of farming an extra 15,000 square miles of Sonoran desert isn't patently obvious to you, then your brain is made of oatmeal.
Well, that was a rigorous and scientific reply. Ho ...
  Topic: The Mother of all Biofuels Debates (large scale)
Optimist

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Views: 97069

PostForum: Energy Technology   Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 1:09 pm   Subject: Re: The Mother of all Biofuels Debates
with external hydrogen you get twice us much fuel from biomass, then with biomass alone;
In biomass you have a self-propagating solar collector. If you set it up right, your energy input is limited t ...
  Topic: The Mother of all Biofuels Debates (large scale)
Optimist

Replies: 856
Views: 97069

PostForum: Energy Technology   Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 1:02 pm   Subject: Re: The Mother of all Biofuels Debates
Pete,
You can do better than this, can't you? Much of your response is based on these assumptions:
1. Pimentel & Patzek is always right. Anyone who dares disagree with them is closed-mined, naiv ...
  Topic: Biojetfuel to be tested
Optimist

Replies: 45
Views: 4631

PostForum: Energy Technology   Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 7:04 pm   Subject: Re: Biojetfuel to be tested
Yes. But only produce bodily waste if they are eating, which they won't be once you have channelled the entire photosynthetic capacity of the planet into biojetfuel.
Read the fine print would you? P ...
  Topic: Biojetfuel to be tested
Optimist

Replies: 45
Views: 4631

PostForum: Energy Technology   Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 4:16 pm   Subject: Re: Biojetfuel to be tested
So....who you gonna depolymerize to keep jet setting?
So...you got any better ideas for converting waste into something useful?

No need to depolymerize people. Each person produces ~75 lb of bodil ...
  Topic: Biojetfuel to be tested
Optimist

Replies: 45
Views: 4631

PostForum: Energy Technology   Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 3:25 pm   Subject: Re: Biojetfuel to be tested
I think there is going to come a day when Lorenzo sends his own family members to the thermal-depolymerisation plant to get more of the precious fuel.
Thanks for that comment. It manages to be both p ...
  Topic: Biojetfuel to be tested
Optimist

Replies: 45
Views: 4631

PostForum: Energy Technology   Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 3:20 pm   Subject: Re: Biojetfuel to be tested
I am not obligated to disprove an untested process. We know that different algaes grows under lots of conditions. Whether such growth can be scaled up, managed, maintained, and produce net energy to r ...
  Topic: The Mother of all Biofuels Debates (large scale)
Optimist

Replies: 856
Views: 97069

PostForum: Energy Technology   Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 2:36 pm   Subject: Re: The Mother of all Biofuels Debates
BTW, more evidence that there is more than enough biomass to keep the planet well oiled:
"There are almost no limits on how much biomass can be grown. The continuous growth of plants on our planet ex ...
 
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