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Hoarding is exactly what the government is doing right now by filling the SPR, and frankly it's the best thing that could happen. It drives prices up. High prices encourage demand destruction. They also finance new well development. The hoarded oil gives us a buffer to fall back on once shortages become more prevalent. High prices are what we need in order to adapt to what's coming, and the sooner they happen, the better.

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  Topic: The Spreading Food Crisis Thread (U.S. & World)
elocs

Replies: 1480
Views: 61256

PostForum: Current Events   Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 10:44 pm   Subject: Re: Unconfirmed food rationing in America
This is the same stuff I have read here for years and years...
Of course then you have attempted to head some of the advice and have a little pantry for times the trucks don't show - otherwise why do ...
  Topic: The Spreading Food Crisis Thread (U.S. & World)
elocs

Replies: 1480
Views: 61256

PostForum: Current Events   Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 3:57 pm   Subject: Re: Unconfirmed food rationing in America
This is the same stuff I have read here for years and years: "It's The End Of The World As We Know It, the sky is falling, run for the hills. Stock up food and ammo to last for untold years". It's ...
  Topic: Surviving a Financial Meltdown
elocs

Replies: 270
Views: 38598

PostForum: Planning For The Future   Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 9:50 pm   Subject: Re: Surviving a Financial Meltdown
So, this thread started on 20 January 2008 and 10 pages later it ends on 3 February. Today is 29 February. What has happened the last 26 days? Nothing left to say? No new news?
  Topic: SunOvens
elocs

Replies: 39
Views: 5687

PostForum: Energy Technology   Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 7:46 pm   Subject: Re: SunOvens
My Sun Oven has been fun to use, but it is not r practical to regularly use. Since I got mine last spring I have paid much more attention to the amount of sun that I get each day and when somebody po ...
  Topic: Anyone have a link for EROEI for corn ethanol
elocs

Replies: 10
Views: 1748

PostForum: Energy Technology   Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 6:02 pm   Subject: Re: Anyone have a link for EROEI for corn ethanol
elocs,

Just scan through Mother of all Biofuel thread for links.
Or just google Pimentel and ethanol.

I know about the Mother of all Biofuel thread, all 53 some pages. When I did a search, tha ...
  Topic: Anyone have a link for EROEI for corn ethanol
elocs

Replies: 10
Views: 1748

PostForum: Energy Technology   Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 3:48 pm   Subject: Re: Anyone have a link for EROEI for corn ethanol
I know but it is quite easy for some people to reach the point of information overload Wink

Well, I think information is power. One of my problems with doing a search about corn ethanol is all of t ...
  Topic: Anyone have a link for EROEI for corn ethanol
elocs

Replies: 10
Views: 1748

PostForum: Energy Technology   Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 7:58 am   Subject: Anyone have a link for EROEI for corn ethanol
compared to other fuels? I need it for somebody who thinks corn ethanol is the greatest thing since sliced bread. When I try to do a search on that specifically I get threads than are many pages lon ...
  Topic: [Transportation] Motorcycles & scooters
elocs

Replies: 73
Views: 23090

PostForum: Planning For The Future   Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 7:41 am   Subject: Re: [Transportation] Motorcycles & scooters

Riding a bike of any kind here in Wisconsin in the winter is impractical. Not only is there the subzero cold and snow, but riding on ice with the constant feeling that your wheels are going to slip ...
  Topic: Saddam to be hanged in mid January
elocs

Replies: 11
Views: 1532

PostForum: Current Events   Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:11 pm   Subject: Re: Saddam to be hanged in mid January
I think we ceded the moral high ground when we started torturing. Or maybe it was with the invasion. Or with the lying in the run-up to the war.
Umm yeah...or when we dropped napalm on unarmed Viet ...
  Topic: [Transportation] Motorcycles & scooters
elocs

Replies: 73
Views: 23090

PostForum: Planning For The Future   Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:03 pm   Subject: Re: [Transportation] Motorcycles & scooters
As a bicycle rider, a motorcyclist, and a car driver, all of them for 25+ years, I can honestly say that riding the m/c is the most fun, but also the most dangerous because of the car drivers who "ju ...
  Topic: Experiment in Food Production Methods
elocs

Replies: 55
Views: 8443

PostForum: Planning For The Future   Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 6:45 am   Subject: Re: Experiment in Food Production Methods
In a fast crash, people just don't have the time to become good enough hunters to hunt the species to extinction before they die themselves.

They wouldn't have too. I am sure that large groups of ...
  Topic: Experiment in Food Production Methods
elocs

Replies: 55
Views: 8443

PostForum: Planning For The Future   Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 7:09 pm   Subject: Re: Experiment in Food Production Methods
I've harvested at least another 40 pounds of green tomatos before the first frost hit. They are now ripening indoors. At this point, my squre meter of land is blossoming with turnips and kale. If I ...
  Topic: #500- Who else is headed for the Pacific Northwest?
elocs

Replies: 134
Views: 18952

PostForum: Planning For The Future   Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 9:26 am   Subject: Re: #500- Who else is headed for the Pacific Northwest?
BW, yeah good rants there. But beyond the emotional gratification factor, they point fo fundamental truths.

Yes we need to seal the borders, legal as well as illegal immigration included. Then ...
  Topic: Experiment in Food Production Methods
elocs

Replies: 55
Views: 8443

PostForum: Planning For The Future   Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:00 pm   Subject: Re: Experiment in Food Production Methods
If it gets bad enough, even gardening will be tough. As a kid I can remember going on garden raids as a lark, not to get food to survive. You might need to have somebody stand guard over your garden ...
  Topic: Experiment in Food Production Methods
elocs

Replies: 55
Views: 8443

PostForum: Planning For The Future   Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 6:01 pm   Subject: Re: Experiment in Food Production Methods


I voted for gardening. I think in a post-collapse scenario, hunting and fishing will be played out within a year. The only thing left might be rodents and carp (nothing seems to get rid of these s ...
 
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