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  Topic: THE Jevons Paradox Thread (merged)
omgwtfbyobbq

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PostForum: Conservation & Efficiency   Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 12:28 am   Subject: Re: Jevons Paradox - Death by conservation
Answer the question:

So, efficiency gains won't increase supply?

What does this have to do with Jevon's Paradox? Efficiency gains may, or may not, increase supply.
  Topic: THE Jevons Paradox Thread (merged)
omgwtfbyobbq

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PostForum: Conservation & Efficiency   Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 12:13 am   Subject: Re: Jevons Paradox - Death by conservation
I'll give you a hint: peak oil is about supply.

But Jevon's Paradox isn't. Hint away! Smile
  Topic: THE Jevons Paradox Thread (merged)
omgwtfbyobbq

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PostForum: Conservation & Efficiency   Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 11:17 pm   Subject: Re: Jevons Paradox - Death by conservation
Whoops, I meant continental US crude. My mistake, correct as you see fit.

None that can be scaled up in time.

Really? I was going to address it myself in my garage, but I suppose that's a threa ...
  Topic: THE Jevons Paradox Thread (merged)
omgwtfbyobbq

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PostForum: Conservation & Efficiency   Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 10:56 pm   Subject: Re: Jevons Paradox - Death by conservation
But only for a while. The decrease came at the industrial level. In fact, auto fuel use never decreased; it increased. Google the data. And as you see from the chart I posted, that didn't last long. ...
  Topic: THE Jevons Paradox Thread (merged)
omgwtfbyobbq

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PostForum: Conservation & Efficiency   Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 10:49 pm   Subject: Re: Jevons Paradox - Death by conservation
Although, before peak. Jevon's Paradox is spot on. If I have a resource, I want to sell as much of it to as many people as possible to maximize profit, so of course, economically speaking, anything to ...
  Topic: THE Jevons Paradox Thread (merged)
omgwtfbyobbq

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PostForum: Conservation & Efficiency   Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 10:42 pm   Subject: Re: Jevons Paradox - Death by conservation
No, it is about the macro-economical effect. The Rebound effect takes up where Jevon's leaves off.

Look, you can dispute Jevon's until the cows come home, but until you provide hard data to support ...
  Topic: THE Jevons Paradox Thread (merged)
omgwtfbyobbq

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PostForum: Conservation & Efficiency   Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 10:33 pm   Subject: Re: Jevons Paradox - Death by conservation
Who says it is?

Why, the dictionary.

Of course. Your point?

You asked, "Who says it is?"

Broadly speaking, I suppose it's that Jevon's Paradox cannot apply post peak. That consumption is ...
  Topic: THE Jevons Paradox Thread (merged)
omgwtfbyobbq

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PostForum: Conservation & Efficiency   Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 10:29 pm   Subject: Re: Jevons Paradox - Death by conservation
Here's a nice marcoeconomic example. The US supply of crude oil peaked in ~1971 iirc, at this point the consumption of US crude was maximal. After 1971 vehicle efficiency increased, but consumption of ...
  Topic: THE Jevons Paradox Thread (merged)
omgwtfbyobbq

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PostForum: Conservation & Efficiency   Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 10:17 pm   Subject: Re: Jevons Paradox - Death by conservation
Who says it is?

Why, the dictionary.

Main Entry: consumption
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: use
Synonyms: burning, consuming, damage, decay, decrease, depletion, desolation, destruc ...
  Topic: THE Jevons Paradox Thread (merged)
omgwtfbyobbq

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PostForum: Conservation & Efficiency   Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 9:54 pm   Subject: Re: Jevons Paradox - Death by conservation
Efficiency gains cannot increase supply post peak?

Jevon's Paradox is not about supply, or availability. It is about consumption. Consumption is not supply. Consumption is not availability.
  Topic: THE Jevons Paradox Thread (merged)
omgwtfbyobbq

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PostForum: Conservation & Efficiency   Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 8:06 pm   Subject: Re: Jevons Paradox - Death by conservation
Increases in efficiency will not result in more of that resource.

No? What happens to the efficiency gains? They disapppear?

The resource net amount doesn't increase, only it's availability.
...
  Topic: THE Jevons Paradox Thread (merged)
omgwtfbyobbq

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PostForum: Conservation & Efficiency   Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 7:58 pm   Subject: Re: Jevons Paradox - Death by conservation
Jeezus you people make my head hurt...

Jevons did not 'theorize' or 'postulate' that an increase in efficiency would ultimately lead to an increase in consumption; he simply observed that that's wh ...
  Topic: Gas escaping from ocean floor may drive global warming
omgwtfbyobbq

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PostForum: Environment   Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 8:25 am   Subject: Re: Gas escaping from ocean floor may drive global warming
Methane hydrate is a form of water ice that contains a large amount of methane within its crystal structure, called a clathrate hydrate. According to Kennett's hypothesis, climatic destabilization wou ...
  Topic: Gas escaping from ocean floor may drive global warming
omgwtfbyobbq

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PostForum: Environment   Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 5:26 am   Subject: Re: Gas escaping from ocean floor may drive global warming
TTT Since I think this is important and downplayed it erroneously.
  Topic: THE Jevons Paradox Thread (merged)
omgwtfbyobbq

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PostForum: Conservation & Efficiency   Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 4:21 am   Subject: Re: Jevons Paradox - Death by conservation
I was asking where the proof was.

No, you didn't.

I said it was not an unproven theory or forecast. Both are proven.
Where?

Lets see... you mentioned that Jevon's Paradox is a proven theor ...
 
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