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Topic: THE Jevons Paradox Thread (merged) |
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Forum: Conservation & Efficiency Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 12:28 am Subject: Re: Jevons Paradox - Death by conservation |
Answer the question:
So, efficiency gains won't increase supply?
What does this have to do with Jevon's Paradox? Efficiency gains may, or may not, increase supply. |
Topic: THE Jevons Paradox Thread (merged) |
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Forum: Conservation & Efficiency Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 12:13 am Subject: Re: Jevons Paradox - Death by conservation |
I'll give you a hint: peak oil is about supply.
But Jevon's Paradox isn't. Hint away!  |
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Forum: Conservation & Efficiency Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 11:17 pm Subject: Re: Jevons Paradox - Death by conservation |
Whoops, I meant continental US crude. My mistake, correct as you see fit.
None that can be scaled up in time.
Really? I was going to address it myself in my garage, but I suppose that's a threa ... |
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Forum: Conservation & Efficiency Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 10:56 pm Subject: Re: Jevons Paradox - Death by conservation |
| But only for a while. The decrease came at the industrial level. In fact, auto fuel use never decreased; it increased. Google the data. And as you see from the chart I posted, that didn't last long.
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Forum: Conservation & Efficiency Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 10:49 pm Subject: Re: Jevons Paradox - Death by conservation |
| Although, before peak. Jevon's Paradox is spot on. If I have a resource, I want to sell as much of it to as many people as possible to maximize profit, so of course, economically speaking, anything to ... |
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Forum: Conservation & Efficiency Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 10:42 pm Subject: Re: Jevons Paradox - Death by conservation |
No, it is about the macro-economical effect. The Rebound effect takes up where Jevon's leaves off.
Look, you can dispute Jevon's until the cows come home, but until you provide hard data to support ... |
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Forum: Conservation & Efficiency Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 10:33 pm Subject: Re: Jevons Paradox - Death by conservation |
Who says it is?
Why, the dictionary.
Of course. Your point?
You asked, "Who says it is?"
Broadly speaking, I suppose it's that Jevon's Paradox cannot apply post peak. That consumption is ... |
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Forum: Conservation & Efficiency Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 10:29 pm Subject: Re: Jevons Paradox - Death by conservation |
| Here's a nice marcoeconomic example. The US supply of crude oil peaked in ~1971 iirc, at this point the consumption of US crude was maximal. After 1971 vehicle efficiency increased, but consumption of ... |
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Forum: Conservation & Efficiency Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 10:17 pm Subject: Re: Jevons Paradox - Death by conservation |
Who says it is?
Why, the dictionary.
Main Entry: consumption
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: use
Synonyms: burning, consuming, damage, decay, decrease, depletion, desolation, destruc ... |
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Forum: Conservation & Efficiency Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 9:54 pm Subject: Re: Jevons Paradox - Death by conservation |
Efficiency gains cannot increase supply post peak?
Jevon's Paradox is not about supply, or availability. It is about consumption. Consumption is not supply. Consumption is not availability. |
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Forum: Conservation & Efficiency Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 8:06 pm Subject: Re: Jevons Paradox - Death by conservation |
Increases in efficiency will not result in more of that resource.
No? What happens to the efficiency gains? They disapppear?
The resource net amount doesn't increase, only it's availability.
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Forum: Conservation & Efficiency Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 7:58 pm Subject: Re: Jevons Paradox - Death by conservation |
Jeezus you people make my head hurt...
Jevons did not 'theorize' or 'postulate' that an increase in efficiency would ultimately lead to an increase in consumption; he simply observed that that's wh ... |
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Forum: Environment Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 8:25 am Subject: Re: Gas escaping from ocean floor may drive global warming |
| Methane hydrate is a form of water ice that contains a large amount of methane within its crystal structure, called a clathrate hydrate. According to Kennett's hypothesis, climatic destabilization wou ... |
Topic: Gas escaping from ocean floor may drive global warming |
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Forum: Environment Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 5:26 am Subject: Re: Gas escaping from ocean floor may drive global warming |
| TTT Since I think this is important and downplayed it erroneously. |
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Forum: Conservation & Efficiency Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 4:21 am Subject: Re: Jevons Paradox - Death by conservation |
I was asking where the proof was.
No, you didn't.
I said it was not an unproven theory or forecast. Both are proven.
Where?
Lets see... you mentioned that Jevon's Paradox is a proven theor ... |
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