Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 4:27 pm Post subject: Re: Klein/HHO Gas
ecirme wrote:
XJet and all you Know it all’s and professors etc go to www.ronnmotors.com a Texas USA company and you don’t need to tell me about their stock price or that it is a fraud, just look at the statement about how they get better mpg . They have third party testing argue with them. Tell the government they are a rip off maybe they will listen. For some one so sharp hard to believe you missed it or got it so wrong. I wonder how many people actually listened to your Bull SH- it. All you had to do is try it but guess you couldn’t afford the time or money???????
The Maine Hick
Here we go again, I don't know why I bother but...
ronnmotors is using the Hydrorunner system. Hydrorunner has not shown any third party testing that means anything. From a previous post of mine:
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I'm sorry but that is a crap study.
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The vehicle was received from Check Engine with the Hydrorunner Hydrogen system installed in teh bed and covered by a tonneau cover where it was not inspected by ATDS
Translation: "We don't know what the hell we were really testing as we couldn't see any of it. They might have had a tank of propane in there for all we know."
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Notes: (1) Fuel Economy (MPG) taken from vehicle on-board computer and not independently verified by ATDS
I can't even believe a reputable testing company would put their name on a "study" such as this.
Let me explain how to do a scientific study.
Take 2 identical vehicles, install the system on one. Examine the system closely.
Get a few drivers to drive each vehicle without telling them which has the system on it, record results.
Take the system off the one vehicle then put it on the other, repeat the tests on both vehicles.
Use independent MPG testing gauges.
(Ideally the people reading the test gauges would not know ahead of time which vehicle had the system hooked up to it, but that's not a big deal in this situation.)
Publish results and test methods.
Look, I'd love for this stuff to really work, but anecdotal evidence and sloppy "science" doesn't cut it.
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Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 5:22 pm Post subject: Re: Klein/HHO Gas
Turn it off and keep driving for a couple of miles on the freeway at a constant speed. Now, without moving your foot on the accelerator, turn the electrolysis cell on.
This is not high presure tanks with valve that opens when fliping switch, turning systom on onle causes bubbles to form on stainless steel plates, they then half to dislodge from plate, float to surface, & burst, onley then do they enter motor,
Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 5:59 pm Post subject: Re: Klein/HHO Gas
Actually, I have the output of the bubbler T'ed off with one side going to the vacuum port on plentum and the other to the intake after the Mass Air Flow sensor just before the butterfly valves. Both have one way valves to protect against backfire. This setup seems to work much better for me. I have tried it from just the vacuum port and just the intake and they both worked okay but this setup is just a little better.
Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 6:24 pm Post subject: Re: Klein/HHO Gas
kamnet wrote:
gnm wrote:
The alternator doesn't run at the load necessary to run your electrolysis device all the time. So YES YOU ARE ADDING A LOAD ON THE ENGINE.
to hydrogen and oxygen?
What does an alternator (on average) normally crank out, and just how much energy is required to break water in[quote] In 7th grade sience we did it with 2 6 volt lantern batterys ( 12 volts )
Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 7:35 pm Post subject: Re: Klein/HHO Gas
I am 54 years old, 7th grade sience a long time ago, the only reason I even remember it is because class after mine had person holding beaker hydrogen was going in to tilt to side & caused an explosion that put an end to classes doing this, from what I rember it was done in fish tank; under water with hydrogen going to one beaker & oxygen to another. Go to local hardware store, buy 1/4 20 stainles allthread, Box of 1/4 20 nuts $6 Box of 1in washers $6 (1 in washers have 1/4 in hole in them) 10 or so 2in washers ( $32 box ) 6in x 12in stainless steel sheat $6 Small pice of thicker pvc, one glue on cap for same, one glue on pvc cap with screw in top, & top for same, Drill lower cap 1/4 inch hole, 2nuts tightened aginst each other an all thread, then stack 1in washer 2in washer 1 in washer 1/4 nut ect 6 or so 2 in washers. Put 1in washer & high temp silacone on bottom of this & run through bottom cap with1in washer & nut, Put sheet around inside of pvc pipe using 1 1/4 in stainless bolt through overlap of sheet to secure it, get a couple of alagator clips & fuse link at local auto parts store, positive goes to bottom & neg to side ( I don't think polarity really matters) You will half to drill & tap top screw on cap for brass fitting & get hose to run to air cleaner. Don't modafie car at all; use zip tys to hold unit & stick hose in where ever air cleaner takes air in 1 tea spoon baking soda for 1 gall. distilled water ( about 89 cents for water & baking soda bout the same. the washers are not good enough grade for perament systom, but are good for this test. this is not best method, but ya can' t get much easer. You can remove center rod with washers on it to try diffrent # washers. Try it, & let us know your results?
Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 8:38 pm Post subject: Re: Klein/HHO Gas
The alagator clips are to conect to battery, use nuts $ washers to conect wires to unit, dont forget to put in line fuse close to + clip-- I am using 30 amp fuse-non belivers - try this -
Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 9:25 pm Post subject: Re: Klein/HHO Gas
The automotive alternator adds drag to the engine even when no load is applied because of the power required to drive the belt, bearing friction and air friction of the cooling fan. Alternators output around 14.5v with maximum current depending on the unit of between 65 and 90 amps for older cars and between 105 and 150 amps for newer stock units. Yes additional power is required to drive the alternator when a load is applied but the relatively small loads required to produce a useful amount of gas is about the same as turning on the headlights, 10 to 15 amps. Do you notice a loss of power when you turn on your lights? Do you notice a loss in gas mileage when you drive all night? You actually get better mileage at night because of the cooler denser air. So why is so hard to understand that using a very small amount of power above power already being lost to produce a gas that has many times more impact than cool night air, can have a very noticeable positive gain?
Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 6:25 am Post subject: Re: Klein/HHO Gas
Just a short update for you believers, one vehihcle 1984 chev 307 started with 15mpg, now at 29mpg using six jars based on water4gas plans. This is carpenter's work truck and has kept good records on mpg. Other thing look at and you have to do a google search, 9v HHO Torch. Then just think about building bigger and using solar panel as power sourse. You could then heat your water????? House????? They also have a generator that runs on HHO or HFI(hydrogen fuel injection).
Maine Hick
Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 3:48 pm Post subject: Aussie Water/Hydrogen Assisted/Powered Car
Hi, I have been following Water Powered cars for some time now and there is always a debate on the actual validity of this "technology/process". I came across this video clip on Yahoo!
Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:57 am Post subject: Re: Klein/HHO Gas
gnm wrote:
I really hope for their sake that they are just role-playing for cash.
-G
If you search for hho using negative phrases you'll find the scammers are buying all those words on google and doorwaying people into the scam sites. I don't think it's above them to flood forums with fake positive posts. They're actually way more organised than I would have thought otherwise.
Thanks for enduring the retards... We all know it's tough beating down ignorance with the shining light of science with one hand whilst working covertly for big oil with the other
Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 10:24 am Post subject: Re: Klein/HHO Gas
For you believers check out www.fuelfromh2o.com/distributors.html amazing how these companies can keep getting away with what these naysayers say is a hoax. Also check out www.ronnmotors.com then check out their partner that produces the unit that coverts water to H2o using vehicles electrical system. Just remember some people are just so preprogrammed that they do not have the ability to have an open mind.
The Maine Hick saving big at the pump :~)
There are inventive people with inquisitive minds out there looking for the better and cleaner way of achieving our fuel independence from foreign oil. Small work shops tucked away in America's backyards, tinkerers and plinkers trying out ideas and looking for tomorrows solutions. Don't think lite of them because they are same as those who came before us who invented the things we take for granted in our everyday activities. And like those before us, they were ridiculed, bombarded by naysayers and skepticism from the closed and narrow minded. Just remember, as it was different 150 years ago it will also be very different 150 years from now. What was impossible then is now accepted as everyday life, and in the future what’s considered impossible now will also be accepted as everyday life then. Don't sell the investigative and intuitive mind short when it comes to finding a better way.
Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 10:37 am Post subject: Re: Klein/HHO Gas
solarpoweredlasers wrote:
If you search for hho using negative phrases you'll find the scammers are buying all those words on google and doorwaying people into the scam sites. I don't think it's above them to flood forums with fake positive posts. They're actually way more organised than I would have thought otherwise.
Thanks for enduring the retards... We all know it's tough beating down ignorance with the shining light of science with one hand whilst working covertly for big oil with the other
Or maybe your assumption that it’s all a scam is an error. I’m not a scientist. I’m a technician. So, I just took the basic design and built it using materials that were readily available. I then installed the unit on my car and tested it. I found that it works quite well. I brought my car in to the dealer yesterday to clear a SRS error light and they were very interested in my device because they saw it actually working. It just seems a little strange to me that those that actually try it get positive results but the “scientists” won’t even test it.
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