Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 11:23 am Post subject: old but good article
this was probably posted here back in '04, but i thought i'd post the link for other newbies like me. the article, which is quoted from a solid source (the new york times), suggests that saudi oil executives were a lot more forthcoming last year than this year. if so, that makes for an interesting public policy progression.
i found this article by doing a search for "Edward O. Price Jr.," who seems to be a precursor to matthew simmons.link
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Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 6:01 pm Post subject: Re: newsweek article on conservation of energy(super optimis
Newsweek is right - somebody is going to get rich out of this.
Quote:
The cars today have to be modified to use "advanced biofuels"
What "advanced biofuels" are you talking about? You need minor modifications to run a diesel engine on B100, and no modifications for B20. Also, for "renewable diesel" as the new Energy Bill calls TDP-40, you won't need any modifications. Same goes for Choren's FT diesel.
Here is what the ideal fuel of the future would look like:
1. Renewable.
2. Produced form an abundant feedstock, such as waste.
3. Liquid (many advantages over both gas and solid).
4. Can be blended with existing fuels, to facilitate a smooth tranfer, i.e. no engine modifications.
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 7:29 pm Post subject: Re: newsweek article on conservation of energy(super optimis
thequietkid10 wrote:
I am making no comments, I'm just looking for opions
It's Newsweek, not an academic journal. Dude's expected to produce a layman's explanation of his work. Not much to opine because there isn't much substance in that piece either way. Could be that he's done good work on the subject and can back his beliefs or it could be that he's selling himself and RMI. Hard for me to tell. I guess I should get around to reading some of RMI's work at some point.
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 9:44 pm Post subject: Re: newsweek article on efficiency of energy(super optimisti
Jevon's Paradox _________________ A Saudi saying, "My father rode a camel. I drive a car. My son flies a jet-plane. His son will ride a camel."
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Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 9:47 pm Post subject: Re: newsweek article on conservation of energy(super optimis
Optimist wrote:
Produced form an abundant feedstock, such as waste.
In nature, there are no "wastes."
Something has to go without. _________________ A Saudi saying, "My father rode a camel. I drive a car. My son flies a jet-plane. His son will ride a camel."
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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 10:06 pm Post subject: Re: newsweek article on efficiency of energy(super optimisti
I'm surprised that people that are supposedly interested in energy and using energy efficiently (this is the "Conservation and Efficiency" forum, I think), aren't familiar with, or at least aware of, Amory Lovins and the work of the Rocky Mountain Institute, which has been promoting and working on energy efficiency for decades.
But, as was mentioned, this is a Newsweek article, and was published as much for entertainment as enlightenment.
Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 1:09 am Post subject: Re: newsweek article on efficiency of energy(super optimisti
Lovins pays a lot of lip service to groovey ideas but makes his living helping large corporations be more efficient. In one respect that is laudable. Budweiser makes more money, saves aluminum and energy, and releases less pollutants by developing a highly engineered and super lightweight beer can. But it's still Bud inside. _________________ ree rah rip ram. sunofabitch godamn. hidey didey christ almighty. rah rah crap
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Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 4:52 pm Post subject: Re: newsweek article on efficiency of energy(super optimisti
George Monbiot quoted a biologist recently as saying that we are using 400 times the entire organic output of the biosphere worth of fossil fuels every year.
That to me says that even if we chop down forests and replace it with crops that grow 10x as fast we still will only be able to replace 1/40th of the fossil fuel supply with biofuels. Note that we already use 40% of all land for farming and grazing, and that's not for producing biofuels.
Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 6:41 pm Post subject: Re: newsweek article on conservation of energy(super optimis
nth wrote:
I have no idea where this guy gets his figures.
Hybrids like Prius don't even get the mileage he listed.
A Prius can't get these figures but Lovins and co have done a significant amount of research on transport efficiency at the Rocky Mountain Institute (RMI) and can back up these numbers.
Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 10:28 pm Post subject: Re: newsweek article on efficiency of energy(super optimisti
Well, if all this stuff is so within our reach, and the sooner we "get off oil" the better off we'll be, what's holding us back? I mean, who WOULDN'T want a rosy future like the one painted here? And if it's so easy, why hasn't anyone taken these steps? I know that we're slipping backward into ignorance here in Imperial Nation, but surely some more enlightened government has taken notice of RMI and their ideas and implemented them--no? They haven't? Oh, I guess this is still just a bunch of unproven, untested ideas, like the $1,000,000 hydrogen car. Darn the luck!
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 1:48 pm Post subject: Re: newsweek article on efficiency of energy(super optimisti
Anonymous wrote:
Well, if all this stuff is so within our reach, and the sooner we "get off oil" the better off we'll be, what's holding us back? I mean, who WOULDN'T want a rosy future like the one painted here? And if it's so easy, why hasn't anyone taken these steps? I know that we're slipping backward into ignorance here in Imperial Nation, but surely some more enlightened government has taken notice of RMI and their ideas and implemented them--no? They haven't? Oh, I guess this is still just a bunch of unproven, untested ideas, like the $1,000,000 hydrogen car. Darn the luck!
Actually, many of the features of the advance materials advocated by RMI are not available in foreign countries because of National Security and corporations unwilling to sell its patent nor invest in the manufacturing without a market.
And mostly because lack of money. You need to spend billions of dollars to implement this and who besides US has that much money to throw around?
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 1:56 pm Post subject: Re: newsweek article on conservation of energy(super optimis
Aedo wrote:
A Prius can't get these figures but Lovins and co have done a significant amount of research on transport efficiency at the Rocky Mountain Institute (RMI) and can back up these numbers.
Ah, I see how he got his figures.
Yes, they can back up their numbers with modeling, but not with real costs. For instance, the article states it costs less than $3k per vehicle to upgrade the vehicle to get these mileage. This is based on an initial investment approaching $90Billion dollars.
I am sorry, but real world markets don't allow you to invest $90Billion and monopolize the materials market for all vehicles in the U.S. If each car company makes their own investment, this figure will multiply.
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