Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
Joined: Aug 07, 2005 Posts: 302 Location: Columbia, MO
Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 1:55 am Post subject: Re: [Shelter] Defense (THE gun thread)
Laughs_Last wrote:
A .357 magnum worked for me okay, it was loads of fun, but made so much flash that I couldn't continue to see the target well.
I have a Taurus .357 (the eight shooter, model 608 I believe), and a lot of the ammo I shoot through it doesn't flash appreciably. The worst as far as flash (that I've shot) is Magtech's 158 gr JSP. I keep Remington UMC 125 gr JHP in it for defense use and it doesn't flash much at all.
Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 2:03 am Post subject: Re: [Shelter] Defense (THE gun thread)
dooberheim wrote:
Thanks, smallpoxgirl, but the dealer has been trying to get a left handed 700 (any variant) for a couple months now, and Remington doesn't seem to be able to get a time when they will be available.
It will come up with a list of about 20 left handed Remington 700s for sale including a couple of 30-06 BDLs and a 308 VS. Buy one and get it shipped to a FFL. It's not hard to find an FFL to do the transfer. Your dealer would probably do it for a small fee($25 or so). If not you can search for transfer dealers here: http://www.gunbroker.com/User/DealerNetwork.asp _________________ "So while you sit and whistle Dixie with your money and your power.
I can hear the flowers a-growin in the rubble of the towers.
I hear leaders quit their lying
I hear babies quit their crying.
I hear soldiers quit their dying, one and all." - OCMS
Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 8:42 am Post subject: Re: [Shelter] Defense (THE gun thread)
I'm not a big Glock fan. Dont like the grip angle. Sig for me, in the P226 flavor.
Not that Glocks arent incredibly good pistols, they just arent for me. _________________ "Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the
Abyss, the Abyss gazes also into you."
Ammo at a gunfight is like bubblegum in grade school: If you havent brought enough for everyone, you're in trouble
Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 10:23 am Post subject: Re: [Shelter] Defense (THE gun thread)
bradhunt wrote:
Anyone who implies that the mere sight of a large caliber handgun, or the sound from racking the slide of a pump shotgun, has a fundamental misconception of the role of firearms in self defense.
If these guys are driven by bloodlust, they've got the wrong idea. It would be so much better to hide inside the dark house without giving any warning, and then just open up on every unarmed sap who came in foraging for water:
bradhunt wrote:
Most 'gunfights' will be over in 3 shots or 3 seconds...
Really? Tell that to the guys in Sadr City. I'm going to continue taking advice from FerFAL.
Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 10:30 am Post subject: Re: [Shelter] Defense (THE gun thread)
dooberheim wrote:
Laughs_Last wrote:
A .357 magnum worked for me okay, it was loads of fun, but made so much flash that I couldn't continue to see the target well.
I have a Taurus .357 (the eight shooter, model 608 I believe), and a lot of the ammo I shoot through it doesn't flash appreciably. The worst as far as flash (that I've shot) is Magtech's 158 gr JSP. I keep Remington UMC 125 gr JHP in it for defense use and it doesn't flash much at all.
The one I was shooting had a small frame, it was too small for my hands. I bet the smallness increased the flash, while simultaneously prejudicing me against it.
Joined: Feb 18, 2006 Posts: 374 Location: Minnesota, U.S.A.
Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 4:00 pm Post subject: Re: [Shelter] Defense (THE gun thread)
Excellent material from Mr. FerFal, I've already printed it out for easier reading and archiving.
Quote:
...If I had a dollar for each time a person that got robbed told me “They looked like NORMAL people, dressed better than we are”, honestly, I would have enough money for a nice gun...
...A battery charger that has both solar panel and a small crank. They are not available here. I saw that they are relatively inexpensive in USA. Do yourself a favor and get one or two of these...
...a city that goes without gas and light for more than two weeks is a death trap, get out of there before it’s too late...
...you have to understand that 90% of the time, the handgun will be the weapon you have available when you need one...
...Better to be rude than dead...
...magazine fed center fire rifles are almost impossible to obtain these days, even in the black market...
...kids absorb the stress and tension going on the house. You just try to not talk about stuff like that in front of them so they don’t absorb that. Kids also miss a lot of experiences, since they can’t play on the streets on their own, they have no freedom....
... The real gem, the real “golden egg chicken” when it comes to survival would be this: Have a...
Pure Gold _________________ "He who makes no mistakes isn't trying hard enough" Genghis Khan
"Everyone here is bribed not to kill each other." foodnotlawns
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Joined: Aug 07, 2005 Posts: 302 Location: Columbia, MO
Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 3:46 pm Post subject: Re: [Shelter] Defense (THE gun thread)
smallpoxgirl wrote:
dooberheim wrote:
Thanks, smallpoxgirl, but the dealer has been trying to get a left handed 700 (any variant) for a couple months now, and Remington doesn't seem to be able to get a time when they will be available.
It will come up with a list of about 20 left handed Remington 700s for sale including a couple of 30-06 BDLs and a 308 VS. Buy one and get it shipped to a FFL. It's not hard to find an FFL to do the transfer. Your dealer would probably do it for a small fee($25 or so). If not you can search for transfer dealers here: http://www.gunbroker.com/User/DealerNetwork.asp
Thanks Dr. SPG - I guess I owe you a goat or something...
I know about all the FFL transfer stuff. I bought my .357 online and had it transferred through my dealer. The other couple guns I've bought and sold have all been in person sales.
I guess they don't see this at the dealer because it is an auction and they can't just order something for a firm price. One of the BDL's listed sounds very much like the one I sold - would be ironic if I got my same gun back - though I wouldn't mind...
Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 10:55 pm Post subject: Re: [Shelter] Defense (THE gun thread)
dooberheim wrote:
Thanks Dr. SPG - I guess I owe you a goat or something...
Nahh. Wasn't that big a deal. Worth maybe two chickens max.
_________________ "So while you sit and whistle Dixie with your money and your power.
I can hear the flowers a-growin in the rubble of the towers.
I hear leaders quit their lying
I hear babies quit their crying.
I hear soldiers quit their dying, one and all." - OCMS
Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 11:16 am Post subject: Re: [Shelter] Defense (THE gun thread)
I dont care for Mr. Fal or his advice. He strikes me as a pompous, arrogant opinionated ass.
And not from his articles, but from postings I've had with him. _________________ "Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the
Abyss, the Abyss gazes also into you."
Ammo at a gunfight is like bubblegum in grade school: If you havent brought enough for everyone, you're in trouble
Joined: Feb 18, 2006 Posts: 374 Location: Minnesota, U.S.A.
Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 12:28 pm Post subject: Re: [Shelter] Defense (THE gun thread)
Perhaps his poor attitiude comes from dealing with lilly-fingered theorists who insist on telling him how it is even though they've never had to live like that.
Also consider that he's a fairly young and well-educated man who has found a way to thrive in an environment that would shatter most of us mentally. I think he has some right and reason to be proud and opinionated. South amercans aren't known for their modesty either. _________________ "He who makes no mistakes isn't trying hard enough" Genghis Khan
"Everyone here is bribed not to kill each other." foodnotlawns
Coinflation.com
Joined: Apr 17, 2005 Posts: 2758 Location: Vancouver Island
Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 1:57 pm Post subject: Re: [Shelter] Defense (THE gun thread)
He also appears to be considerable better off finanacially then a large percentage of the country. Being that he's a student in university I get the feeling he started off that way before things became ugly. Being near the top percentile definitely helps when you have a fall.
He also has a backup option of pack everything up and catch a plane to spain where some of his relatives are.
Having said all of that some of his insights and experiences have definitely been useful. _________________ shame on us, doomed from the start
god have mercy on our dirty little hearts
Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 3:30 pm Post subject: Re: [Shelter] Defense (THE gun thread)
I think what we’re collectively not recognizing are the differences in specific situations that different people are facing (or expect to face.) For FerFAL, it sounds like a high capacity handgun really is the king. But that is in part due to his urban location and partially functioning government. His 90% handgun rule of thumb would probably be reversed in a post-SHTF Nebraska.
There are far too many variables to have a one-size-fits all solution (hardware or strategy) for all people in all places at all times.
Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 3:35 pm Post subject: Re: [Shelter] Defense (THE gun thread)
Aimrehtopyh wrote:
Perhaps his poor attitiude comes from dealing with lilly-fingered theorists who insist on telling him how it is even though they've never had to live like that.
Also consider that he's a fairly young and well-educated man who has found a way to thrive in an environment that would shatter most of us mentally. I think he has some right and reason to be proud and opinionated. South amercans aren't known for their modesty either.
Or his poor attitude comes from his very limited experiences and thinking they apply to everyone everywhere.
Just because I can grow a tomato in Kansas doesnt mean I'm going to act like a know it all and tell an Alaskan how to grow a tomato.
He rejects all other advice, even in light of proof to back it up, and says "Well *I* think".
Well Fark you buddy. Your OPINION means jack crap in light of hard data.
And Jack left town.
Yes, he gives good advice but I would also take some of it with a grain of salt and more importantly do your own research into what you may need.
The guy talks of deplorable conditions, then goes on about watching farking Tv and driving around to UNI and crap. Last time I checked the poorest of the poor dont go to Uni and dont watch TV. _________________ "Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the
Abyss, the Abyss gazes also into you."
Ammo at a gunfight is like bubblegum in grade school: If you havent brought enough for everyone, you're in trouble
Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 6:59 am Post subject: Re: [Shelter] Defense (THE gun thread)
Laughs_last wrote:
bradhunt wrote:
Most 'gunfights' will be over in 3 shots or 3 seconds...
Laughs_last wrote:
Really?
Tell that to the guys in Sadr City. I'm going to continue taking advice from FerFAL.
The Sadr City situation has to do with a military occupation force facing an organized (somewhat) militia - not really applicable to the SHTF situation scenario most folks imagine (criminal as opposed to military conflict) I agree that FerFAL has some interesting experiences to share, but I would take them with a grain of salt (and apparently I'm not the only one)
Quote:
Most 'gunfights' will be over in 3 shots or 3 seconds...
Which isn't to say that you wouldn't have multiple gunfights...
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