For a minute there I thought I had to get off my couch, when all the while the fact is we don't have to do anything much but keep things afloat for just a few decades more! In fact, we'd best shut up about PO, because if our offspring finds out we knew about it all along, they'll turn and wring our necks come 2036!
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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 8:35 am Post subject: Re: Drought: Lake Lanier has three months of water storage l
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Soaking someone with a hose however is not an appropriate response
Absolutely true.
Step 1: "Sir, this is private property. You are trespassing. Leave at once."
Step 2: "Sir, you have been asked in a polite and pleasant manner to leave this property. Leave at once."
Step 3: "Sir, you are threatening me. I believe my life to be in danger. Please don't make me kill you."
Step 4: Two to the body. One to the head. Problem terminated.
Side note: It's all how you write the report. The deceased don't write reports.
Side note 2: You can't go wrong with a Glock 22, 15 round magazines, and 165 grain Federal Hydroshok ammunition.
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You sir, are a crazy person.
And that is why you are going to survive whatever this world throws at you.
What do you mean crazy???
The victim, 65 y/o lawn waterer, was watering during the times allowed by the local ordinance there, according to the coverage I read.
The Water-er would still be alive today, had he used Jack's logical and completely legal response. The attacker would be dead, and deservedly so, since the victim was doing nothing illegal, and on his own property as well. Except that in Aussie-land, aren't personal firearms pretty much forbidden? I guess he'd have had to use a spear, sword, or crossbow there.
Spears, shields, crossbows -- sounds like an S.M. Stirling novel.
Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 11:18 pm Post subject: Re: Drought: Crisis feared as U.S. water supplies dry up
Couldn't people easily cut that down to 100,000 gallons of water per person?
That's a few hundred gallons of water a day, I think I don't need to drink that much water.
Even if it was 40,000 gallons of water, that's still more than 100 gallons a day.
I can simply take sponge baths instead of regular baths.
The only reason I see this being a problem in the short run is that some evil elite group wants to depopulate the U.S.
True, one or more states will have to be wiped out by a water shortage before the Union learns, but it will happen. Once they learn, the only thing that would keep them from cutting back water use will be the desire to kill the people on the bottom, and try and keep as much material wealth as possible by keeping factories and such going.
Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 11:31 pm Post subject: Re: Drought: Crisis feared as U.S. water supplies dry up
Also, a way people could reduce water waste, is instead of using toliets, why not use out houses?
They're not pretty, they're not pleasant, but they don't waste a lot of water.
You urinate, you poop, and no water is used to flush it down the drain, it just accumulates until you have to scoop it out. It could be a whole new industry, "out house scoopers for rich people". Kind of like the pool boy is today.
If we eliminated pools that people have, and make it illegal to water your lawn, then the water supply wouldn't be that strained.
If we made it extremely costly to use water as a means of cooling factories and the like, then factories would begin developing cheaper, less water consuming methods.
It's just a matter of efficiency. We need outhouses, we need to stop watering our lawns, we need to eliminate private swimming pools, we need to make water expensive so that sponge baths become the preferred method of cleaning oneself.
An added advantage to water conservation is that it would end up taking less power, less stress on the grid. You don't need to pump that water, desalinate or treat it ect...
In the end it's better for energy, and it's better for the environment, and it means the populace won't die of water shortages.
Another useful thing we can do is make holes in the ground near flood plains in order to induce aquifer recharge.
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 10:10 am Post subject: Re: Drought: Lake Lanier has three months of water storage l
So for Heineken and others affected by the drought here in florida we dealt with very tropical like weather before a front pushed it all south. I know you got like 4 inches or something a while back. How is lake Lanier doing after all that rain? Where are we in the countdown to the end of water for Atlanta? How has the Corp of Engineers reducing water flow out of the lake affected the time-line till the lake dries up? Are the creeks flowing again?
Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 11:13 am Post subject: Re: Drought: Crisis feared as U.S. water supplies dry up
It needn't be too upleasant or even outside. There are various composting toilets on the market, and check out the awesome _The Humanure Handbook_ by Jenkins for a do-it-yourself approach.
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Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 11:59 pm Post subject: Re: Drought: Crisis feared as U.S. water supplies dry up
Looks like things aren't going to get much better in the South
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The tropical Pacific Ocean remains in the grips of a cool La Nina, as shown by new data of sea-level heights from mid-October of 2007, collected by the U.S-French Jason altimetric satellite. This La Nina, which has slowly strengthened for the past nine months, is indicated in a new NASA image, available at: http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/lookingatearth/20071106.html.
"After eight very dry years on the Colorado River watershed and a record-breaking dry winter in Southern California in 2006-2007, the situation in the American Southwest is dangerously dry," said oceanographer Bill Patzert of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. "This La Nina could deepen the drought in the already parched Southwest and Southeast United States."
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 12:54 am Post subject: Re: Drought: Crisis feared as U.S. water supplies dry up
Kylon wrote:
If we eliminated pools that people have, and make it illegal to water your lawn, then the water supply wouldn't be that strained.
I would do a little homework on water usage.
Take the Colorado River for example: 90% of the water from that river goes to irrigate cropland, primarily alfalfa and cotton in the desert. We pay farmers in Alabama not to grow cotton, while subsidizing the water at a penny a ton to grow it in the desert.
It takes 5 acre feet of water to grow alfalfa and 3.5 acre feet to grow cotton, while .5 acre feet to grow lettuce.
That alfalfa grown from the river water is used to produce only 13 % of the entire US beef production.
4% goes for industrial use, while 6% goes to urban use.
Of the urban use, only 2% of that 6% goes for swimming pools. 47% for lawns.
Eliminating less than 3% of water consumption is not going to unstrain supply. _________________ A Saudi saying, "My father rode a camel. I drive a car. My son flies a jet-plane. His son will ride a camel."
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Joined: Sep 25, 2004 Posts: 4412 Location: Boston, MA
Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 1:40 am Post subject: Re: Drought: Crisis feared as U.S. water supplies dry up
The other big issue is that cutting water use for residential consumers is politically difficult and enforcement is often a problem.
Cutting water use for industry would be highly destructive to the economy.
Farmers can be politically powerful but their power isn't proportional to their MASSIVE water usage.
There's a graph of global water use by sector.
In the United States, it's about 60% of the water that goes to farmers.
Amazing how similar this water use chart is to the oil use chart.
Let's hope that our transportation sector isn't as hopelessly oil dependent as our agriculture sector is water dependent. _________________ "www.peakoil.com is the Myspace of the Apocalypse."
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 11:56 am Post subject: Re: Drought: Crisis feared as U.S. water supplies dry up
Much water used in farming is wasted, because there is almost no humus in the soil to retain the water. Farmers are going to have to switch to methods which add or preserve humus in the soil. Organic methods are the best at this.
It's possible to reduce water used to grow food plants by 60% or more using organic methods.
Restoring watersheds would also provide additional water. This can be done on any scale, from the local watershed of a city lot to an entire region. _________________ "...powerdown so soft and fluffy you'll think you're living in a pillow..." - jboogy
Joined: May 13, 2007 Posts: 598 Location: Athabasca, Alberta
Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 11:18 pm Post subject: Re: Drying (not drought) in the Western US
I live on a lake which is mainly composed of fossil water, the drainage basin is forested, very little water is used for agriculture, and yet in the last hundred years the water level has dropped 2 metres. _________________ Appuis ait fabrum esse suae quemque fortunae.
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 5:38 am Post subject: Re: Drought: Lake Lanier has three months of water storage l
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ATLANTA — Rain fell in the city for a fourth consecutive day Sunday, assuring that 2007 would not go down as the driest year on record for the drought-stricken Atlanta area.
The most arid year ever recorded for Atlanta was 1954, when only 31.80 inches of rain fell.
Meteorologists had feared this year would have even less rain, predicting that showers on Sunday morning would taper off. But the rain continued long enough to raise the 2007 cumulative rainfall to 31.85 inches.
Dry weather was forecast for Monday.
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The latest rain had only a small effect on the metropolitan area's main source of drinking water, Lake Lanier, where the receding water is exposing roads and the foundations of buildings submerged since the reservoir was created in the 1950s.
On Wednesday, the water level in the reservoir stood at an all-time low. By 6 a.m. Sunday, it had risen less than a foot.
"What's falling now won't show up until tomorrow or the next day," said Rob Holland, a spokesman for the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, which operates the reservoir.
"Anything that stops the level from falling is a good thing," he added. "But we'd like to get a whole lot more."
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