Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 3:03 pm Post subject: Re: Drought: Lake Lanier has three months of water storage l
TonisD wrote:
So, what is the current situation over there at Atlanta? I have not seen any recent news and the last post here is over a month old.
Funny you should ask, just looked up this topic to add some news.
I've been watching the Lake level and News for a while now to see TSHTF as it happens. However instead of watching a mass exodus from Atlanta, to my surprise things seemed to have stabilize and they were holding there own for the month of January.
That suddenly changed in February and now the lake level resumed its decline. This was not the reason for me posting an update though.
It turns out that it appears the Georgia Governor has decided to let God handle the situation since he did such a good job helping them out after their Prayer session
I'm following the Georgia drought situation as a case study for how public and governments handle a depletion disaster.
“We will reduce the restrictions on outdoor watering in Georgia,” Gov. Perdue said to applause at a Wednesday morning agriculture-industry conference in Atlanta.
If this is what we can expect then...
"abandon hope all ye who enter here"
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 12:54 am Post subject: Re: Drought: Lake Lanier has three months of water storage l
According to NOAA, the northern part of this drought area is expected to see some improvement through the early spring, but the drought will persist through central Georgia and much of the Carolinas.
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Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 8:22 am Post subject: Re: Drought: Lake Lanier has three months of water storage l
Georgians thirst to move Tennessee state line
200-year-old survey error puts river’s water tantalizingly out of reach
COLE CITY HOLLOW, Tennessee - Nearly two centuries after a flawed survey placed Georgia's northern line just short of the Tennessee River, some legislators are suddenly thirsting to set the record straight.
A historic drought has added urgency to Georgia's generations-old claim that its territory ought to extend about a mile farther north than it does and reach into the Tennessee — a river with about 15 times greater flow than the one Atlanta depends on for its water. …
Creative thinking _________________ "RRrrruuuunnnn!!!" ~Apocalypto
If you 've visited Las Vegas for any purpose beyond gambling, you may have taken a side trip to Hoover Dam and marveled at Lake Mead, the man-made reservoir that backs up behind the dam for 110 miles.
The news is that Lake Mead might be running out of water. Lake Mead and its sister lake, Lake Powell, are only half-full today. They provide much of the drinking water for Las Vegas, Los Angeles and San Diego and much of the agricultural water for the region 's farmers who produce the fresh fruit and vegetables we purchase in Madison supermarkets.
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There isn 't a Plan B for Lake Mead. Nor is there a Plan B for Lake Lanier, which provides much of the water for Atlanta. Heavy rainfall in the Southeast and heavy snowfall in the Rocky Mountains has raised the level of reservoirs serving our major cities a bit, but we have no idea whether the climate changes that have left many communities with water reserves of only a few months or, in the West, a few years, have actually ended or just taken a breather.
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 1:08 am Post subject: Re: Drought: Lake Lanier has three months of water storage l
BobWallace wrote:
We might be looking at a great die-off. Perhaps we've waited too long to avoid it. I hope not, but....
So, if we realize that it's actually going to happen perhaps the wise thing would be to some intentional "herd thinning" in order to improve the gene pool.
We could start with those who have no sympathy for the plight of others, for example.
Just a thought....
we don't need better genes, we need better memes. the hardware (brain) is fine, it's the operating system (mind) that should be improved and upgraded. _________________ anagami.net
Lake Lanier held steady through January and is predicted to remain at its current levels through next month, but experts say that won't be good enough once warmer weather arrives.
The lake needs rain — and a lot of it — in the next couple of months before spring hits and more water will need to be released to generate hydropower for metro Atlanta. The hotter temperatures will also cause water to evaporate at the lake at a faster rate.
"Rainfall, or lack thereof, over the next two months, particularly in March, could determine the lake level for the rest of the year," Lisa Coghlan, spokeswoman for the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers in Mobile, Ala., told The Gainesville Times.
A third avenue depends on the outcome of lawsuits before a federal judge imported from Minnesota. The central issue of those suits is whether federal law that authorized Buford Dam and Lake Lanier also authorized use of the lake for metro Atlanta drinking water.
Alabama says no, it did not. Florida also says no. The Army Corps of Engineers, which built the dam and operates it, says no as well. But Georgia says yes.
Lawyers for Georgia believe they have a strong case —- certainly stronger than in the case decided last week —- and maybe they do. But if the courts decide otherwise, metro Atlanta could be left high and dry.
The metro district water plan assumes that we will be able to draw an additional 153 million gallons a day from Lanier and Allatoona. If that assumption proves valid, and if we conserve water wisely, reasonable growth in metro Atlanta can continue.
However, if that additional water must instead be sent downstream, growth in the metro region would come to a grinding halt.
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Conservation, after all, is a source of water every bit as real as a new-found river. Even better, water "produced" through conservation is not dependent on federal court decisions, the good will of neighboring states or rain from heaven above. It is something we do ourselves.
Unfortunately, conservation is also boring. Legislators tend to get more excited by high-stakes if far-fetched "solutions" that promise conflict and press attention. Last week, for example, bills were introduced in the House and Senate reviving a long-dead border fight with Tennessee.
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 1:52 am Post subject: Re: Drought: Lake Lanier has three months of water storage l
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So on Oct 14th 2007, when this thread was started there was 3 months of water left.
Now 4.5 months are gone and we have still 3 months of water left (if not more).
Atlanta was saved from running out in January because they managed to get the Corps of Engineers to reduce the out flow from Lake Lanier very substantially (about half). Thus they are shorting downstream users which includes a number of power plants and other municipal water suppliers.
The only downstream users that have been hurt enough to make the news that I've seen are the Apalachicola Bay Fishermen/Oystermen whose business is hurt by the resulting increase in salinity in the bay.
They must not be out of the woods since they are trying to claim a piece of the state of Tennessee plus the article mentioned above says they want to reduce the outflow from Lake Lanier even more.
Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 12:39 pm Post subject: Re: Drought: Lake Lanier has three months of water storage l
OK, lets assume that Atlanta will cut off all downstream water.
No one will give a slightest damn about Apalachicola Bay fishermen after all.
At worst they will get one off compensation and be asked to change profession.
So lets assume that there will be no downstream of Atlanta anymore and Atlanta will end up to be a sort of water sucking black hole.
Would that be enough?
If so, it is likely that they will actually do it.
Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 1:07 pm Post subject: Re: Drought: Lake Lanier has three months of water storage l
EnergyUnlimited wrote:
OK, lets assume that Atlanta will cut off all downstream water.
No one will give a slightest damn about Apalachicola Bay fishermen after all.
At worst they will get one off compensation and be asked to change profession.
Indeed, the real problem occurs when the rest of our food providers, the farmers are asked to change professions. Can't outsource our stomachs. It seems we've turned the planet into a vast coal mine and we are all about to become canaries. _________________ ree rah rip ram. sunofabitch godamn. hidey didey christ almighty. rah rah crap
So yes, in theory, if northern Ga wanted to keep all the water than Atlanta could continue to grow.
As I like to point out, however, we do not live in a theoretical world but the real one. In the real world there plenty of interests competing with Atlanta. A lot of people that do not live in the large metro area and a lot of interests with money (power companies) and, frankly, interests that Atlanta itself depends upon (the power companies again). _________________ "Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens" -Friedrich von Schiller
Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 4:31 pm Post subject: Re: Drought: Lake Lanier has three months of water storage l
Thanks for explanation, Cur.
It looks like Atlanta would not be allowed to grab all the water, at least in normal situation.
However if there is an unfolding disaster threatening to force actual evacuation of large parts of Atlanta, then it is likely that they would be granted some emergency provisions for water use with very little being left to flow downstream.
So perhaps few power plants would have to shut down at the expense of cuts in electricity supply.
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