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rogerhb
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 Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 1:41 pm Post subject: Re: Is tolerance dead in Netherlands? |
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| bl00k wrote: | Again, there is no such thing as a 'civil war' going on in the Netherlands, this is really the most outrageous thing i read on this board  . |
I don't litter my comments with emoticons, but I don't think people recognize reductio ad absurdum or tongue in cheek. 
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| Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 2:45 pm Post subject: Re: Is tolerance dead in Netherlands? |
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The people of Amsterdam must still be tolerant, to put up with the various stag/hen weekends that go on there.
| Quote: | | Muslims are not tolerant against christians and other faiths |
I agree with the statement janser but nobody is tolerant of anyone with a totally different mindset. Westerners included.
I don't believe you saw with your own eyes the muslims of your land celebrating the events you mentioned. maybe i'm wrong.
| Quote: | | But cut a keyhole through Dutch decorum and violence appears: a filmmaker shot and stabbed by an Islamic fanatic, politicians in hiding from jihadist threats, a newspaper columnist menaced into silence, people living in fear |
This is strange because I've been there many times and feel very comfortable and safe(even though my wallet was stolen once  it was done in a clever way though). It is live and let live, as far as i can see.
| Quote: | | The problem seems to be that muslim teens have turned more and more radical, fundamentalist since 9/11. |
elroy ALL teens seem to have become more radical to me. Call them hooligans, yobs, druggies, they all seem to be acting more extreme.
young people are excluded, they find inclusion in many ways. That sounds patronising i suppose, and typing it just made me feel old.
| Quote: | | All i want to say is that the people that are causing all this trouble are greatly outnumbered by the 'normal' thinking people like you and me, just keep that in mind. |
Do those normal people live in the netherlands? It doesn't feel that way here. |
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lotrfan55345
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| Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 2:59 pm Post subject: Re: Is tolerance dead in Netherlands? |
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| Can you deport someone in the netherlands on the basis on race, even if they have Dutch citezenship? |
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rogerhb
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| Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 3:18 pm Post subject: Re: Is tolerance dead in Netherlands? |
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| lotrfan55345 wrote: | | Can you deport someone in the netherlands on the basis on race, even if they have Dutch citezenship? |
Note unless:
1. You revoke their citizenship somehow, if they were born there that's very hard to do.
2. You are responding to an extradition request by some other nation.
Other than that it would have to be voluntary.
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elroy
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| Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 3:51 pm Post subject: Re: Is tolerance dead in Netherlands? |
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People of moroccan descent automatically get 2 nationalities, courtesy of the king of Morocco. There have been some politicians that suggest, if a moroccan commits a serious crime we should strip them of the dutch nationality, leaving them only with their moroccan nationality, and deport them. Heated debate followed, not much else. They were most likely just trying to get some time in the limelight, a soundbite and be visible. All for political gain, I'm sure.
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rogerhb
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| Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 4:04 pm Post subject: Re: Is tolerance dead in Netherlands? |
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| elroy wrote: | | People of moroccan decent automatically get 2 nationalities. |
I'm glad to hear they are decent people. I was getting rather worried given the topic of this thread.
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elroy
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| Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 4:51 pm Post subject: Re: Is tolerance dead in Netherlands? |
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Fixed. 
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| Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 7:05 pm Post subject: Re: Is tolerance dead in Netherlands? |
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| That would be scary if the USA started doing that... I'm not white. |
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rogerhb
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| Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 7:09 pm Post subject: Re: Is tolerance dead in Netherlands? |
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| lotrfan55345 wrote: | | That would be scary if the USA started doing that... I'm not white. |
How many nationalities do you have?
For instance Mugabe wants to remove Zimbabwe nationality not just from people who have two passports, but people who have the right but have not exercised the right to have another passport.
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lotrfan55345
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| Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 10:51 pm Post subject: Re: Is tolerance dead in Netherlands? |
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| rogerhb wrote: | | lotrfan55345 wrote: | | That would be scary if the USA started doing that... I'm not white. |
How many nationalities do you have?
For instance Mugabe wants to remove Zimbabwe nationality not just from people who have two passports, but people who have the right but have not exercised the right to have another passport. |
Like ethnicities? I have Chinese, Filipino and Spanish (Spain not latin America) ethnicity. |
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elroy
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| Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2005 7:45 am Post subject: Re: Is tolerance dead in Netherlands? |
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No, nationalities as in carrying a passport of the country in question. Dual citizenship is automatic for people of moroccan descent.
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| Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2005 11:48 am Post subject: Re: Is tolerance dead in Netherlands? |
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Northern Europe, including Britain, should have discouraged Muslim immigration from the get-go. Didn't anyone envision the tension that is unfolding now? It's not a matter of tolerance, it's a matter of what works.
Any Muslim who is willing to assimilate, at least to a certain degree--fine. But people who have contempt for the values of their host country, being allowed in? I think not. Though the treatment of women may make a certain amount of sense in their own homeland and within their culture, what Northern European country wants to import those values, through their immigration policies?
I'm amazed that returning intolerance with resistance is an issue. Where is the original intolerance springing from? Other than a few Nazi Dutch sympathizers from the over 65 generation, the intolerance radiates from the Muslim community. Let's get it straight. |
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rogerhb
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| Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2005 5:51 pm Post subject: Re: Is tolerance dead in Netherlands? |
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| threadbear wrote: | | Northern Europe, including Britain, should have discouraged Muslim immigration from the get-go. Didn't anyone envision the tension that is unfolding now? |
Blowback from imperialism. Enoch Powell anyone?
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| Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2005 7:01 pm Post subject: Re: Is tolerance dead in Netherlands? |
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What people seem to forget is that Western countries needed immigration seeing as a lot of our citizens died in WWII.
Fortunately the UK could rely on the Commonwealth countries for workers and I'm sure the Dutch done the same by getting immigrants from it's former colonies.
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Gorm
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| Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 4:06 am Post subject: Re: Is tolerance dead in Netherlands? |
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Gee, that was really stupid. Nederlands and UK are really way too overcrowded. The muslims did not show until decades after the war ended.
And what, more precise, do we need them for? |
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