For a minute there I thought I had to get off my couch, when all the while the fact is we don't have to do anything much but keep things afloat for just a few decades more! In fact, we'd best shut up about PO, because if our offspring finds out we knew about it all along, they'll turn and wring our necks come 2036!
Does the Bush Administration Sincerely Think It Is Acting In The Best Interest Of The Majority Of Americans?
Absolutely. These people are selfless servants of the American People.
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Yes. They may not be perfect, but they are lead by the desire to benefit the average American.
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Yes, but like any politicians, they're somewhat beholden to special interests.
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No, they serve their base, e.g., the religious right, and aren't very concerned with the needs of the majority.
7%
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No, they serve their corporate masters, how the American people fare is an afterthought.
44%
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No, they make the robber barons looks like a bunch of Mother Teresas. They are doing everything they can to fleece the American people.
31%
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 5:17 am Post subject:
Perhaps the way to approach this is to ask Simmons. Not about Bush or anyone else in particular, but in general. Ask him what our political leaders, and the Big Oil brass, think about peak oil. Are they in denial? Do they accept the truth in private, while maintaining public denial or optimism? Do they have a plan? Are they at all worried about this?
And Simmons supposedly advised Clinton about peak oil, as well as Bush. Did Clinton have any plan to deal with it? Did he even believe it?
The only explanation to the US government behaviour, assuming that they are aware of peak oil, is that they know there's no solution, and they are making time in hopes that the solution will appear, probably from some new scientific breakthrough.
Another (more likely, I think) explanation is plain old denial. You can't assume that people will behave rationally. How many times have you ignored a problem and acted like it didn't exist even though you knew it wouldn't just go away? Presidents do those things too.
The only explanation to the US government behaviour, assuming that they are aware of peak oil, is that they know there's no solution, and they are making time in hopes that the solution will appear, probably from some new scientific breakthrough.
Another (more likely, I think) explanation is plain old denial. You can't assume that people will behave rationally. How many times have you ignored a problem and acted like it didn't exist even though you knew it wouldn't just go away? Presidents do those things too.
NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! It's all an incredibly elaborate conspiracy, 911 is part of it, peak oil is part of it, Ok city was part of it, can't you see?????? They know everything and they are out to get you!!!!!!
I dunno. Individuals can be in denial, but a whole government? A world full of governments?
No, I don't think the CIA is behind 9/11, but I suspect they do keep track of peak oil issues. From what Deffeyes said in his first book, the CIA are very interested in other countries' oil resources and technology. And Matt Savinar says visitors from the CIA check in at his site daily.
I don't know how worried they are about peak oil, but I'd be willing to bet it's a lot more than they let on.
Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 11:08 am Post subject: Re: Simmons and Bush
Leanan wrote:
How do you think Bush would answer, if, during a press conference, a reporter asked him what he thought of Simmons' predictions?
Oh that’s easy Mr/Mrs/Miss reporter …..
We all know the economies around the planet pretty much revolve around the United States and everybody of course knows current economies are based on antiquated oil.
However, we have been telling them all to get working on changing over to the new era quickly as antiquated oil is being replaced by modern technology and economies will be based on it instead. You can bet the United States is at the forefront of this new era just like we always are and change is already happening. If you don’t believe me check out the Energy Technology threads over at peakoil.com and see what we are doing and the billions going into change as I speak. I mean you people need to remember change takes time and we have plenty of antiquated oil for the transition, the key is replacing jobs slowly without creating panic.
Oh yeah, BTW: There’s a guy over there called BiGG, make sure you read the new technology threads he’s been posting lately as they clearly show many of the things some doomers are still preaching are as antiquated as the oil they are preaching about.
I dunno. Individuals can be in denial, but a whole government? A world full of governments?
Sure. It's called groupthink, and it's not uncommon. Aged civilizations have collapsed because the leadership became self-serving, stuck in its ways, and blind to internal problems that should have been obvious. It could be happening again.
Groupthink applies to small groups. Like Dubya's inner circle, who all convinced themselves Iraq was going to be a cakewalk. I find it hard to believe that it would apply to two entirely different administrations, even dozens of countries.
I don't buy the idea that groupthink is responsible for the collapse of ancient civilizations. I think Tainter's right. It's "diminishing returns" that does in civilizations.
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 9:49 pm Post subject:
Leanan wrote:
I'm wondering about that too, but I'm pretty sure they know that PO is imminent, and are aware of the implications... But since they're not doing anything serious on the demand side of things, I believe they have another plan they're not telling us about
Yeah, their plan is to squeeze as much money out of the common man as possible, buy up loads of land, then hire people to tend (and defend) their estates in the future. You know, like feudal lords in the Dark Ages.
That is how they think. Those accustomed to power seldom give it up. _________________ Joe P. United Political Debate
"Only when the last tree is cut; only when the last river is polluted; only when the last fish is caught; only then will they realize that you cannot eat money." - Cree Indian Proverb
No, I don't think the CIA is behind 9/11, but I suspect they do keep track of peak oil issues. From what Deffeyes said in his first book, the CIA are very interested in other countries' oil resources and technology. And Matt Savinar says visitors from the CIA check in at his site daily.
I don't know how worried they are about peak oil, but I'd be willing to bet it's a lot more than they let on.
Actually, in my history research, the fall of the Roman Empire was predicted and the government was trying all kind of things to save their world. They even hired the Huns to fight for them. You can't get anymore desperate than hiring your enemies to train your army.
Actually, in my history research, the fall of the Roman Empire was predicted and the government was trying all kind of things to save their world. They even hired the Huns to fight for them. You can't get anymore desperate than hiring your enemies to train your army.
It was predicted once things visibly started going down the tubes. If you look around right now instead of looking ahead, things seem pretty good and pretty stable. It's difficult for the average person to believe the whole thing could just end. It's difficult for politicians to do it too. Gas prices have been shooting up over the past few months, and that's got people's attention. Guys like Bartlett are starting to talk about it and make it a primary issue. As more and more visible signs of instability pile up, there will be more and more talk and action. But as long as things seem ok, there will be a tendency to put it on the back burner and not think about it too much, no matter what the graphs say when you project out 10 years.
Grimnir, Yup, you are correct. Forecasting doom won't work. You have to have evidence. Once evidence appears, then people will react.
I agree. I guess you just think by then it is too late.
Actually, in my history research, the fall of the Roman Empire was predicted and the government was trying all kind of things to save their world. They even hired the Huns to fight for them. You can't get anymore desperate than hiring your enemies to train your army.
Pssssst…….. This ain’t the Roman Empire, things are a pinch or two different now, please update your thinking. What are we going to compare today’s world with next, the fall of Babylon?
Actually, in my history research, the fall of the Roman Empire was predicted and the government was trying all kind of things to save their world. They even hired the Huns to fight for them. You can't get anymore desperate than hiring your enemies to train your army.
Pssssst…….. This ain’t the Roman Empire, things are a pinch or two different now, please update your thinking. What are we going to compare today’s world with next, the fall of Babylon?
Yeah.. you should never try to learn from history.. what were you thinking? _________________ We've tried nothin' and we're all out of ideas.
I am only one. I can only do what one can do. But what one can do, I will do. -- John Seymour.
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