Coast to Coast 10/27/05 (Abiotic Oil)

AirlinePilot

{Discussion was on 10/27/05}

Discussion starting in moments on Abiotic oil, should be interesting!

AirlinePilot

Where do they find these guys? Potentially 7 trillion bbls (or more!!) of reserves!! We are saved!! Pools of Oil all over the world!!!

Sheesh!

darrin · Coal Joined: Sep 13, 2005 Posts: 11

7 gazillion barrels of oil? phew, thank goodness for that, we're saved we're saved!!!.

seldom_seen · Light Sweet Crude Joined: Apr 12, 2005 Posts: 1945

I think they're on to something!

I bought this orange at the grocery store about 6 months ago. I use the same orange every morning for a tall glass of fresh squeezed OJ. Sometimes in the afternoon and evenings too. I just keep it in my pocket and squeeze out a cup whenever I'm thirsty.

Cool Hand Linc

Just saw this. thanks!
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DesertBear2

This guy is a nutcase. And Noory is one of those guys that can't turn down a good conspiracy theory. Noory is getting excited as he realizes that the oil shortage is just a big plot by the greedy oil barons.

I wonder why US industry would import expensive foreign oil for refined products if they knew that cheap oil was available domestically??? Would the steel and trucking industry go along with a sinister profit plot by Exxon?

Certainly the US intelligence community would be aware of such a plot. And during wartime, they certainly wouldn't let a bunch of oil barons cause billions in extra charges to the Pentagon.

This stuff reminds me of some US fundy preachers who believe that the rapture is coming very soon. This religious nuttery posits that god created fully enough resources to supply mankind until jeesus returns to rule the earth for a thousand years. uh huh.

MagnoliaFan · Heavy Crude Joined: Apr 17, 2005 Posts: 121

If abiotic oil was as plentiful and viable as they say it is, then...

-The Soviet Union would have overwhelmed the United States in the Cold War (the Commies discovered abiotic oil)
-The aging Saudi fields would not be pumping seawater to maintain pressure in their aging fields
-The US government and the manufacturing industry would have embraced this theory a very long time ago--evil oil barons, envirowhackos and NIMBYs be damned.

I'm somewhat of an insomniac, and I listen to C2C just before I go to bed and when I get up very early in the morning. It seems that lately, only the abiotic oil theory gets any airplay on that show.

A PO heavyweight needs to debunk the abiotic theory instead of just dismissing the abiotic proponents as nutcases and not discussing in detail why it does not work. Because right now, the abiotic proponents are winning the argument in the 'alternative mainstream' media.

MagnoliaFan · Heavy Crude Joined: Apr 17, 2005 Posts: 121

A quick search on Google, and I found the following:

http://www.questionsquestions.net/docs04/peakoil1.html

Capped wells may appear to refill after a few years, but they are not regenerating. It is simply an effect of oil slowly migrating through pore spaces from areas of high pressure to the low-pressure area of the drill hole. If this oil is drawn out, it will take even longer for the hole to refill again.

This is the best argument against the abiotic theory, and it is needed to be used over and over again against the abiotic fanatics.

DesertBear2

nuhax · Tar Sands Joined: Jun 18, 2005 Posts: 62

These guys were so messed up... most of the talk was about supposed RESERVES.. they dont know the difference between peak oil production and reserve estimates.... Although I was interested in the topic this discussion got so absurd and ridiculous that it had be turned off...

Trindelm · Heavy Crude Joined: Jun 14, 2005 Posts: 101

I find Coast to Coast the equivalent of Bed Time stories read through staticy intonations of a tin foil hatted narrator.
Beware of shadow People! Unless they point you to a well of newly formed abiotic oil owned by Kennedy and Elvis. Bubba Ho-Texaco

MagnoliaFan · Heavy Crude Joined: Apr 17, 2005 Posts: 121

MagnoliaFan · Heavy Crude Joined: Apr 17, 2005 Posts: 121

To the PO believers on this forum, this article will make your blood boil (as it did mine):

http://www.prisonplanet.com/archives/peak_oil/

Alex Jones was a guest on C2C a while back, but he shares the same beliefs as the abiotic crowd.

There are too many inconsistencies to point out that can easily be debunked by an amateur peak oilist such as myself.

Globalization is all about consolidation. Now that the world economy has become so centralized through the Globalists operations, they are going to continue to consolidate and blame it on the West's "evil" overconsumption of fossil fuels, while at the same time blocking the development and integration of renewable clean technologies.

I myself agree with this assertion. Although I don't think that renewable energy will ever be as good as conventional oil (pound for pound), I concede that there is some collusion between politicians and business to suppress alternatives. But with everything that involves even the slightest paradigm shift in the way our society and economy operates, this collusion already exists in everything (example: environmentalists who oppose wind farms, etc). It's not a conspiracy per se, it's just the way the real world works.

However, one of the arguments of the cornucopians (who don't see PO as a problem and are generally pro-globalist) is that the market will find an economically viable alternative, be it wind, solar or hydrogen.

Flying in the face of the so called peak oil crisis are the facts. If we are running out of oil so quickly then why are reserves being continually increased and production skyrocketing?

Earlier this year Saudi Arabia reportedly increased its crude reserves by around 200 billion barrels. Saudi oil Is secure and plentiful, say officials.

Saudi Arabia has only increased its oil reserves on paper. To cite that country which constantly suppresses it's production data is pure intellectual dishonesty. The government of Canada has more or less done the same declaring the Alberta tar sands to be the same as light sweet crude. Now, I live in Alberta, and even I don't believe that BS.

When you start declaring coal-grade fossil fuels as part of your proven reserves, I say that peak oil is already here or we're pretty close to it.

The peak oil and demand myth is peddled by the establishment-run fake left activist groups, OPEC and globalist arms such as the IMF.

Rolling Stone magazine even carried an article in its April issue heavily biased towards making people believe the peak oil lie.

Well, anyone can make a search through my posts on this forum to find out I am a "far-right" reactionary. I don't think you can assume that all peak oilists are left-leaning in their ideology, but I can see why a majority of them would be. In short, a leftist embraces PO because it shows the inherent flaws of capitalism in their worldview. But a rightist can embrace PO for the completely opposite reason--that modern society with its notions of impossible equality is a sham propped up by access to cheap energy (as pointed out in another thread, aboltion of slavery was only made possible through industrialization, once industrial society disappears, so will abolition).

Rolling Stone magazine publishes articles that cater to pop culture/music fans, so I suppose that by default, it is a left-wing publication. But then, they did have the courage to publish an expose on "bug chasers" (men who purposely seek to get infected by HIV) to much criticism from gay activists. Peak oil may seem like old hat to most of us here on this forum, but to the mainstream public it is an interesting topic.