Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 3:49 pm Post subject: Re: Alternatives ready?
Wildwell wrote:
MonteQuest wrote:
1 out of every 6 jobs is tied to the auto industry.
People drive their cars to go consume or to earn the money to go consume.
Drive less=less consumption, not only of gas and oil, but fast food, convenience marts, movies, motels, tires, batteries, auto parts, car washes, and all manner of impulse buying along the strip malls that litter America.
To conserve gasoline means conserving everything else.
Connect the dots.
What in the age of the internet? Plenty of impulse buying on there: Software, ebooks, things can can be delivered and reduce driving...connect the dots..
Hopeless case, right folks?
Who absorbs the loss in revenue? _________________ A Saudi saying, "My father rode a camel. I drive a car. My son flies a jet-plane. His son will ride a camel."
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Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 3:53 pm Post subject: Re: Alternatives ready?
I tell you what, not conserving will cost jobs...
Look at GM, it bet its market on huge, horribly under powered and inefficient cars and SUVs, less people are buying and sales are all going to John Denver land.
There is no evidence that says conserving will cost jobs, and none that says in rising price scenario consumption increases, it goes against all logic.
Prove to us all that you know what you are taking about and prove otherwise.
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 4:01 pm Post subject: Re: Alternatives ready?
Wildwell wrote:
There is no evidence that says conserving will cost jobs, and none that says in rising price scenario consumption increases, it goes against all logic.
Prove to us all that you know what you are taking about and prove otherwise.
Rising prices does not reduce demand in an exponential population growth.
I have already written a thread about it. _________________ A Saudi saying, "My father rode a camel. I drive a car. My son flies a jet-plane. His son will ride a camel."
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Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 4:03 pm Post subject: Re: Alternatives ready?
Conservation is only reduced sales in one resource, which means you have money to spend on another...it doesn't cost jobs. Reduced oil sales means certain states get less money yep.
Show us the facts rather than telling the world you have written a thread a told us it's that way.
PS Have you got rid of that car yet?
I'm proud to support Microsoft, Apple, Adobe and not Arab oil..
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Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 4:16 pm Post subject: Re: Alternatives ready?
Wildwell wrote:
Conservation is only reduced sales in one resource, which means you have money to spend on another...it doesn't cost jobs. Reduced oil sales means certain states get less money yep.
Show us the facts rather than telling the world you have written a thread a told us it's that way.
PS Have you got rid of that car yet?
I'm proud to support Microsoft, Apple, Adobe and not Arab oil..
If conservation reduces my income (because others are conserving so they aren't buying my product), how will I have extra money to spend on another resource? _________________ No original ideas are contained in this post.
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 4:20 pm Post subject: Re: Alternatives ready?
Wildwell wrote:
Conservation is only reduced sales in one resource, which means you have money to spend on another...it doesn't cost jobs.
Duh! Then why conserve if it is just going to be used up again? I have clearly shown that the reduced sales will domino through the economy.
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Show us the facts rather than telling the world you have written a thread a told us it's that way.
The link to the thread will suffice. _________________ A Saudi saying, "My father rode a camel. I drive a car. My son flies a jet-plane. His son will ride a camel."
Live in Arizona? Check out: http://sustainablearizona.org and read my blog.
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 4:25 pm Post subject: Re: Conservation Debate
But will it be used up again, especially after an oil peak..? It depends and unlikely...
It doesn't take a genius to work out that spending money on a $25k SUV and running it, is a lot more energy intensive than spending money on software, computers, bus tickets, haircuts, or buying yourself a wind turbine...
reduced sales of WHAT will have an effect throughout the economy??
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 4:27 pm Post subject: Re: Alternatives ready?
Ludi wrote:
Wildwell wrote:
Conservation is only reduced sales in one resource, which means you have money to spend on another...it doesn't cost jobs. Reduced oil sales means certain states get less money yep.
Show us the facts rather than telling the world you have written a thread a told us it's that way.
PS Have you got rid of that car yet?
I'm proud to support Microsoft, Apple, Adobe and not Arab oil..
If conservation reduces my income (because others are conserving so they aren't buying my product), how will I have extra money to spend on another resource?
You get another job in something they do want, bad luck you backed the wrong horse..
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 4:53 pm Post subject: Re: Alternatives ready?
Ludi wrote:
Wildwell wrote:
You get another job in something they do want, bad luck you backed the wrong horse..
What if all those jobs are taken by all the other people put out of work?
Then think of another job...
For example you could teach that chicken in your avatar to say 'get out than damn SUV' and stand on the street corner for cash. Or tie it with in brethren to a cart and taxi people around to downtown Houston...
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 5:14 pm Post subject: Re: Alternatives ready?
Wildwell wrote:
IE Use your imagination.
Firefox loads faster. _________________ "Nuclear power has long been to the Left what embryonic-stem-cell research is to the Right--irredeemably wrong and a signifier of moral weakness."Esquire Magazine,12/05
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Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 5:36 pm Post subject: Re: Conservation Debate
Wildwell wrote:
reduced sales of WHAT will have an effect throughout the economy??
Quote:
1 out of every 6 jobs is tied to the auto industry.
People drive their cars to go consume or to earn the money to go consume.
Drive less=less consumption, not only of gas and oil, but fast food, convenience marts, movies, motels, tires, batteries, auto parts, car washes, and all manner of impulse buying along the strip malls that litter America.
To conserve gasoline means conserving everything else.
Connect the dots.
_________________ A Saudi saying, "My father rode a camel. I drive a car. My son flies a jet-plane. His son will ride a camel."
Live in Arizona? Check out: http://sustainablearizona.org and read my blog.
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Then why conserve if it is just going to be used up again? I have clearly shown that the reduced sales will domino through the economy.
