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Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 4:43 pm Post subject: Re: Jimmy Carter being criticzed for his new book
Zardoz wrote:
I don't understand. Please explain this to me.
The reason you don't understand is you are deliberately misreading what people are saying. A criticism of Israel is not an apology for any other nation.
BTW, Judaism is a religion but being a Jew can also refer to race. Islam is not a racial description. _________________ "Complex problems have simple, easy to understand, wrong answers." - Henry Louis Mencken
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Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 4:56 pm Post subject: Re: Jimmy Carter being criticzed for his new book
rogerhb wrote:
BTW, Judaism is a religion but being a Jew can also refer to race.
Why? Are Jews of Russia, Eastern Europe, Western Europe, Africa, the eastern shores of the Mediterranean, and Iran all of the same ethnic background? _________________ "Thank you for attending the oil age. We're going to scrape what we can out of these tar pits in Alberta and then shut down the machines and turn out the lights. Goodnight." - seldom_seen
Joined: Sep 06, 2004 Posts: 5315 Location: Smalltown New Zealand
Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 5:13 pm Post subject: Re: Jimmy Carter being criticzed for his new book
Zardoz wrote:
Why? Are Jews of Russia, Eastern Europe, Western Europe, Africa, the eastern shores of the Mediterranean, and Iran all of the same ethnic background?
It's all about who is, or claims or pretends to be descended from the Twelve Tribes. _________________ "Complex problems have simple, easy to understand, wrong answers." - Henry Louis Mencken
But setting aside the emotional issues, Jews are clearly not a race.
Race is a genetic distinction, and refers to people with shared ancestry and shared genetic traits. You can't change your race; it's in your DNA. I could never become black or Asian no matter how much I might want to.
Common ancestry is not required to be a Jew. Many Jews worldwide share common ancestry, as shown by genetic research; however, you can be a Jew without sharing this common ancestry, for example, by converting. Thus, although I could never become black or Asian, blacks and Asians have become Jews (Sammy Davis Jr. and Connie Chung).
_________________ "Thank you for attending the oil age. We're going to scrape what we can out of these tar pits in Alberta and then shut down the machines and turn out the lights. Goodnight." - seldom_seen
Joined: Sep 06, 2004 Posts: 5315 Location: Smalltown New Zealand
Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 5:55 pm Post subject: Re: Jimmy Carter being criticzed for his new book
Zardoz wrote:
Do all Jews claim or pretend to be descended from the Twelve Tribes?
It's never about "all".
We also have to deal with the idea of promised land etc, eg the land promised (by themselves) to the Israelites, aka the Twelve Tribes, and hence their descendents. _________________ "Complex problems have simple, easy to understand, wrong answers." - Henry Louis Mencken
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Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 7:10 pm Post subject: Re: Jimmy Carter being criticzed for his new book
Israel today does have some very racists aspects to the society.
The fact is that if you can prove through records that you are Jewish by birth you are given the fast track to citizenship. That is not true of Jewish converts, the process for a convert to become a citizen takes years and is laborious.
Also in Israeli brothels are compromised of non- jewish women mainly from Eastern European countries. This all stems from the fact that it is not considered sinful under Halachah law for a Jewish man to have sex with a non Jewish women (goyim). But Jewish women are not allowed to be prostitutes under the law.
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Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 8:12 pm Post subject: Re: Jimmy Carter being criticzed for his new book
Not that jewish women have not been prostitutes. There were occasions in European history when there were many of them. Much as today there are many Iranian prostitutes. Also, Zardoz, don't forget that there are specifically jewish genetic diseases such as Tay Sachs, so it has to be a racial aspect there, not religious.
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Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 8:28 pm Post subject: Re: Jimmy Carter being criticzed for his new book
Yeah I am not saying that there are no Jewish prostitutes in Israel but the vast majority are not Jewish and many are victims of white slavery. And Israel was put on the United States black list for engaging in sex slavery.
In the past if a women who had been sold into sex slavery came forward to police she would be immediately deported. These are women from the former Soviet Union who are literally bought and sold like cattle. And Under religious law it is not considered as sin to see a non jewish prostitute, the criminal law is not the same but was influenced by the mindset of the religious law.
Pen that was also my point before, the law of return says that if you can prove you are a Jew by birth bam! you are Jewish Citizen. Now you can be an atheist anarchist pederast but as long as your Mom danced the Nagila you are in.
Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 8:33 pm Post subject: Re: Jimmy Carter being criticzed for his new book
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Also in Israeli brothels are compromised of non- jewish women mainly from Eastern European countries. This all stems from the fact that it is not considered sinful under Halachah law for a Jewish man to have sex with a non Jewish women (goyim). But Jewish women are not allowed to be prostitutes under the law.
This is complete BS, you just made this up. I have been to Israel, lived in Israel, and I saw jewish prostitutes walking the streets. An Israeli jew is allowed to become a prostitute if he or she wishes to. And before the 90's, most prostitutes in Israel were jewish (monstly mizrahi or yemeni). But starting in the 90's Russian mobsters, many of whom are not jewish, began importing women from the FSU, who work for next to nothing, and who forced jewish women out of the industry. A high quality prostitute in Israel costs about 30 dollars. In America or Europe, the same prostitute would be ten times as much (and the cost of living in Israel is the same). BTW, Israel is a totally secular country.
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The fact is that if you can prove through records that you are Jewish by birth you are given the fast track to citizenship. That is not true of Jewish converts, the process for a convert to become a citizen takes years and is laborious.
Some people are ethnically jewish, and this entitles them to immediate citizenship in Israel. Numerous other countries allow their ethnic peers to become citizens as well, while also excluding outsiders. Japan is a good example. Japan wouldn't allow me to become a citizen, even if I married a Japanese woman. Is this racist, maybe, is it keeping their country Japanese, definitely. BTW, Israel may be changing it's citizenship law to prevent converts from becoming citizens. _________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hz-bTNxpApU
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Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 8:40 pm Post subject: Re: Jimmy Carter being criticzed for his new book
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Pen that was also my point before, the law of return says that if you can prove you are a Jew by birth bam! you are Jewish Citizen. Now you can be an atheist anarchist pederast but as long as your Mom danced the Nagila you are in.
Just because you live in America where every third worlder with an IQ of 80 can become a citizen doesn't mean the rest of the world works that way. Israel is for ethnic jews, like Ireland is for the Irish and Japan is for Japanese. _________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hz-bTNxpApU
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I understand that Israel is secular that is why I was trying to make a distinction between the Halachah and the criminal law.
Just because Japanese law is also racist does not justify Israelis Zionist racism. I do not doubt Japan has a law like you describe Japan has always been a very closed society.
Joined: Nov 28, 2004 Posts: 12390 Location: Neither Here Nor There
Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 8:51 pm Post subject: Re: Jimmy Carter being criticzed for his new book
I personally don't see what the fuss is if Japan wants it's citizens to be ethnic/racial Japanese or Israel wants it's citizens to be ethnic/racial Jews. Why is this a problem? Ireland, on the other hand, should be for Poles.
Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 9:01 pm Post subject: Re: Jimmy Carter being criticzed for his new book
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Kam how did you know the prostitute was Jewish? Just asking.
I saw several I thought were jewish (I saw them coming home on the minibus from work) and one I know was jewish (I just know). BTW, Russian prostitutes work in countless countries the same exact way they do in Israel. Even in America. Once again, you only single out Israel, the new jersey sized country.
BTW, Japan is EXTREMELY racist, if you think Israel is bad, forget it. If you marry an Israeli, you automatically become a citizen of Israel, but this is not true of some countries (like Japan and China). Oh, and many countries have a "law of return" similar to that of Israel. In fact, Wikipedia lists 20 countries.
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I am really not sure why you people find the need to point out Israel's faults, and never care to criticize other countries. If you were being fair, you'd also point out these other countries that also have this racist right of return. _________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hz-bTNxpApU
I am no longer allowed to have a violent avatar or belittle other races......but here's a good video
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Joined: Jun 18, 2005 Posts: 3901 Location: In a van down by the river
Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 9:23 pm Post subject: Re: Jimmy Carter being criticzed for his new book
Ok Kam I totally agree about the Japanese, {disrputive content deleted by SPG} are totally racists.
Did this prostitute you are talking about happen to look anything like Rachel Weisz and if she did where exactly did you see her?
dammit, fine all those 20 countries are racist bastards.
The main point is Israel has not been very nice to the Palestinians all the Palestinians want to do is live in Palestine and be free and have elections and blow the Israelis up a little.
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