How then, do we move backwards? How does a society, with most of the people having no clue of future events, move from being dependent on a vast and intertwined network of goods and services produced by the indigenous people of whereever, to a local resource and renewable energy based society, and do so in the timeframe available (20-30 years using the most liberal extimates, 10-20 with resonable estimates, 5-10 with worst case scenarios), all the while prices on everything increasing, world politics getting more militaristic, governments continuously reducing civil liberties, shortages of goods on the market and weather patterns resembling bad Hollywood movies?
Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 11:38 am Post subject: Re: Post Soviet Lessons for a Post American Century
Great quote about voter apathy or, rather, 'nonvoter indifference' towards elections...
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Why should essentially powerless people want to engage in a humiliating farce designed to demonstrate the legitimacy of those who wield the power?
_________________ “I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death.” George Carlin
Joined: Aug 21, 2005 Posts: 105 Location: Iowa, US
Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 4:35 pm Post subject: Re: Post Soviet Lessons for a Post American Century
I find the housing situation very interesting. Russians for the most part, did not lose their housing during the collapse, which many beleive kept the society together. Americans on the other hand, can lose their housing and/or property quicky, with bank foreclosures and such. Also, most of the US land is privatly owned, even most public places are somewhat private, with "No Loitering," signs, or "Customers Only." Where there are public parks, they are often closed at night, and anybody trying to spend the night there, would likely be told to move along by the police. Where as the Russians had mostly public property, and just about everything was considered communal, except the bedroom.
Joined: Aug 21, 2005 Posts: 105 Location: Iowa, US
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2005 11:32 am Post subject: Re: 'Post Soviet Lessons.. Post American Century' Dimitri Or
I thought I should also mention that, right before the Soviet Union collapsed, it had peaked as an oil province, and was taking in foreign debt at an un-sustainable rate. Also, at that time, world oil prices were very low, and not too long after these events, they announced the "former Soviet Union."
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