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Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 10:47 am Post subject: Soldiers flee to Canada to avoid Iraq duty
Hundreds of deserters from the US armed forces have crossed into Canada and are now seeking political refugee status there, arguing that violations of the rules of war in Iraq by the US entitle them to asylum.
A decision on a test case involving two US servicemen is due shortly and is being watched with interest by fellow servicemen on both sides of the border. At least 20 others have already applied for asylum and there are an estimated 400 in Canada out of more than 9,000 who have deserted since the conflict started in 2003.
Ryan Johnson, 22, from near Fresno in California, was due to be deployed with his unit to Iraq in January last year but crossed the Canadian border in June and is seeking asylum. "I had spoken to many soldiers who had been in Iraq and who told me about innocent civilians being killed and about bombing civilian neighbourhoods," he told the Guardian.
"It's been really great since I've been here. Generally, people have been really hospitable and understanding, although there have been a few who have been for the war." He is now unable to return to the US. "I don't have a problem with that. I'm in Canada and that's that."
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Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 7:16 pm Post subject: Re: Soldiers flee to Canada to avoid Iraq duty
Ah, Another 70's redux. An eerie reprise of one of the favorite ways to get out of going to Vietnam.
Another classic way to get out of going to Nam was to have a "hunting accident" and "accidentally" blow off one of your big toes. You will see a story on this fairly shortly, I think.
Anyway, when this stuff starts happening, it is only a matter of time before the evacuees start gathering on top of the US embassy in Iraq, to be airlifted off, along with whatever natives that can bribe their way out.
Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:32 pm Post subject: Re: Soldiers flee to Canada to avoid Iraq duty
pup55 wrote:
Ah, Another 70's redux. An eerie reprise of one of the favorite ways to get out of going to Vietnam.
Another classic way to get out of going to Nam was to have a "hunting accident" and "accidentally" blow off one of your big toes. You will see a story on this fairly shortly, I think.
Anyway, when this stuff starts happening, it is only a matter of time before the evacuees start gathering on top of the US embassy in Iraq, to be airlifted off, along with whatever natives that can bribe their way out.
Your timing seems a tad optomistic Serious opposition to the Vietnam War started in the late 60's but the carnage continued at an ever greater level for 5 years. _________________ ree rah rip ram. sunofabitch godamn. hidey didey christ almighty. rah rah crap
Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:40 pm Post subject: Re: Soldiers flee to Canada to avoid Iraq duty
pup55 wrote:
Ah, Another 70's redux. An eerie reprise of one of the favorite ways to get out of going to Vietnam.
There's a difference though. During the 70's, Canada's official position was to turn a blind eye to deserters crossing the border. This time, the official position is "Send them home". That means that, should they actually find a judge to hear their case, they will have to prove that US forces are committing war crimes in Iraq in order to succeed. Given the Canadian government's official position, (not to mention the legal risk it poses to the US to have a court of compotent juristiction rule that US forces are committing war crimes) it probably won't happen. _________________ The whole of human history is a refutation by experiment of the concept of "moral world order". - Friedrich Nietzsche
Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 10:29 am Post subject: Re: Military-Industrial Complex Speech, Dwight Eisenhower,
And he was NOT promoting multiculturalism and a one world order! The cult members twist his words to fit their agendas. Not! He was an American first and foremost. nuff said.
Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 12:09 pm Post subject: U.S. Army is training street gangs
U.S. Army is training street gangs
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All across Iraq you can see the signs. They're spray painted on tanks, buildings and barriers. "Amor de Rey," "GDN," "323." Everywhere you look, you can find street gangs from Chicago and Los Angeles making their presence known.
Before Jeffrey Stoleson shipped out for Iraq last year he was a corrections officer and co-founder of the gang interdiction team at a Wisconsin maximum-security prison. He is all too familiar with gang culture.
Since he's been in Iraq he's taken hundreds of photos of gang-related graffiti. He doesn't feel very safe working alongside men he associates with the ones he used to help keep in cages.
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I'll leave it to the more clear-sighted among you to understand the implications, both for the present and the future soon to come, of these articles.
Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 12:23 pm Post subject: Re: U.S. Army is training street gangs
Cheap energy has made us drunk and delusional. When they do all wake up out of the hangover stupor they will find their entire existence a charade. The military and police force they will find that they allowed them to become corrupt. The military is fractionalized and multicultural. and many will promote gun banning on their fellow citizens. Sick demented oil dependent world. The dream will be a night mare soon enough. if you think its pure, guess again. its ALL juandiced. Thats what happens when your greedy and based on a death march neo classical cult march and or socialist/commie lunacy. Orwell 2006!
Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 12:24 pm Post subject: Re: U.S. Army is training street gangs
It makes perfect sense. You'd never be able to train an army of responsible, intelligent, law-abiding persons to come home from Iraq and start shooting dissidents, so you train gangstas to do it instead. _________________ The whole of human history is a refutation by experiment of the concept of "moral world order". - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 12:32 pm Post subject: Re: U.S. Army is training street gangs
Perhaps it would be more 'cost effective' to train (or just equip) entire battalion (ok, maybe company) sized groups and turn them loose in Iraq. I'm sure with the proper incentive they could do just fine.
Thanks for the links. Not sure what to make of it... Is it a 'win/win' type situation or just another sign of how f*cked up we can expect things to get in the future.
Everyone is always talking about 'community' and how important it will be in the future. This just served to remind me that not everyone's idea of community is the same. Still, it does serve a purpose. _________________ Remember, with globalisation "everyone is a winner" in the "race to the bottom". - rogerhb
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. A.C. Clarke
Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 12:48 pm Post subject: Re: U.S. Army is training street gangs
What a geyser of joy. Nothing new really. Age old basis for recruitment of soldiers. Find the meanest ones and give them an offer they cant refuse - prison/death, galleys or the army. This has been the MO of armies since the Romans.
The very basic idea with an army is not that it should be nice and cosy, the idea is that it should be as mean and nasty as possible. In war, the meanest and nastiest army usually wins (provided with weapons, ammo, food, smart guidance and such).
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Serious opposition to the Vietnam War started in the late 60's but the carnage continued at an ever greater level for 5 years. 
ree rah rip ram. sunofabitch godamn. hidey didey christ almighty. rah rah crap 
