Joined: May 13, 2007 Posts: 612 Location: Athabasca, Alberta
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 7:51 pm Post subject: Re: The future of the militia
The problem is that much of the water is fossil water and cannot be replaced in the normal sphere of things. I think it is possile for neighbouring states and provinces to use water at say 50% of their contribution to the replacement by natural factors. _________________ Appuis ait fabrum esse suae quemque fortunae.
Alias Redneck
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:46 pm Post subject: Re: The future of the militia
Surface water pretty much cannot be fossil water. Even Lake Superior would evaporate in a century or so. Only aquifers can be fossil water.
As for waste, can you say with a straight face that a natural river is wasteful and irrigating lawns (not food, lawns) with unmetered water in the middle of the desert is not?
Joined: Aug 19, 2004 Posts: 1719 Location: Republic of Texas
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 6:43 am Post subject: Re: The future of the militia
kevincarter wrote:
As a European I always get amazed with those kind of things that look like sci-fi to me, but I guess they are real.
The USA is a Federal Republic composed of 50 different States.
About 25 states including California and Texas maintain military forces which are separate and independent of the national republic force.
If a state wanted to leave the European Union, they could do it. Same with the American Union. Texas for example would be better off as an independent nation, especially since national laws often work against our interests and we send more money to the national government than we receive back in benefits.
Problem is, the last time secession was tried, it resulted in a long, bloody civil war.
At this time we have enough communists and fascists who so love the old "Throne & Altar" centralized authoritarian power structure in Washington D.C. that such a war would not get started.
However, future hard-core resource depletion could create a situation where the benefits of a secessional war outweigh the costs. _________________ Conform . Consume . Obey .
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 6:55 am Post subject: Re: The future of the militia
I'm a southerner, the oral history of the War for Southern Independence describes a period of starvation, desolation and utter destruction. Unless you want a quarter of your male population dead and your women and children starving in the streets, you better come up with a political solution.
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 7:09 am Post subject: Re: The future of the militia
To the op,
if the feds decided to take that water, there would be an uproar and if the state forces were not called out I think individual citizens would take action. We have seen what can happen to pipelines over extended areas. A few people would take up the cause against it (property destruction. I wouldn't envision anti-personal violence at least at first) and a lot of law abiding people would look the other way. When the feds came by there would be a lot of "I didn't see nothing officer." _________________ Nature is complete because it does not serve itself.
The sage places himself after and finds himself before,
Ignores his desire and finds himself content.
He is complete because he does not serve himself. -Lao Tze
While the Democratic and Republican candidates for president blather on about non-issues like who will be meaner to immigrants, who will use the most water on torture victims, who wanted to be president at the youngest age, who's the best Christian and other such nonsense, and while Congress and the president dance their meaningless dance of pretend conflict, let's for a moment ponder something more momentous.
What if the US just packed up and left Iraq and Afghanistan, and brought the troops all home, shut down the 750-odd overseas bases we operate around the globe, and slashed our military budget by 75 percent?
That would be an instant savings of roughly $365 billion per year...
Why does the US need 700 military bases around the world anyway?
It is a legacy of America's preeminence after WWII, in my opinion, and it is a legacy that will not last for much longer. I think that very soon we will see America begin peeling back it's so-called "Empire".
How much longer do you think we need maintain troops in Okinawa or Korea or the Balkans?
What are the the US' most important bases - the ones that we simply will not close down no matter what?
If the dollar keeps sliding down into oblivion, there's no way that this country will be able to remain a "hyper-power". I have a feeling that the next president will be having to deal with a draw down of US base worldwide, perhaps even scaling back the military industrial complex also. We just simply won't be able to afford it.
Who cares to venture predictions? _________________ "May you live in interesting times"
Joined: Sep 14, 2004 Posts: 6487 Location: Rural Virginia
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 10:39 pm Post subject: Re: Slash Military Spending By 75 Percent?
Affordability isn't an issue when the money can simply be printed and backed by the threat of bombs.
I think the Empire would sooner resort to nuclear war than scale back its presence.
This octopus isn't going to pull back its suckered arms without a fight, a big one, maybe the last one. _________________ "Actually, humans died out long ago."
---Abused, abandoned hunting dog
"Things have entered a stage where the only change that is possible is for things to get worse."
---Me and my brother
Joined: May 06, 2006 Posts: 873 Location: Tustin, CA
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 10:48 pm Post subject: Re: Slash Military Spending By 75 Percent?
I've been saying this since 1977 when I was honorably discharged after 4 years of service to my country in the United States Air Force.
I've become a true believer in isolationism for my country. There was a lot wisdom in the Republican party of the 1920's I wish its current version would adopt.
My Fellow Americans. Want to get out of foreign adventures killing your countymen in Iraq? Leave the Marketers of the WTO/NAFTA fiascos behind and start bringing jobs back home? Vote for Ron Paul if you call yourself a Republican, or Dennis Kucinich if Democrat, they are remarkably similar on these 2 vital issues for America. _________________ Skeptical scrutiny in both Science and Religion is the means by which deep thoughts are winnowed from deep nonsense-Carl Sagan
Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 12:31 am Post subject: Re: Slash Military Spending By 75 Percent?
Carlhole wrote:
Who cares to venture predictions?
I venture to predict an increase in military bases around the world. They will be renamed from 'American' bases to NATO or UN or NWO bases. The exchange of military forces between regions will assure loyalty from the ranks while crushing the uprisings. For example a National Guardsman may not be reliable enough to shoot at his own countrymen but a soldier from Ganjakakistan will have no problem mowing down the dissident NAU citizen. Eventually all countries will be forced to join the new world order or face extermination. When the oil and gas runs out, it will all fall apart and the billion or so people left can go back to living on the farms - and tell their children horror stories about the 'Orwellian' days!
Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 1:40 am Post subject: Re: Slash Military Spending By 75 Percent?
No way, if you slash military spending by 75% who is going to police the world? Who is going to keep rogue states in line by making examples of dictators like Saddam?
Who is going to protect the oil lanes vital to the world economy? Who will prevent the proliferation of nuclear weapons to rogue states like Iran? Who will fight and win the war on radical Islam and terror? Who is going to intervene to prevent regional conflicts like India-Pakistan over Kashmir from escalating to nuclear exchanges?
Sheesh, you Americans must stop thinking only of yourselves. _________________ I play the cards I'm dealt, though I sometimes bluff.
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