For a minute there I thought I had to get off my couch, when all the while the fact is we don't have to do anything much but keep things afloat for just a few decades more! In fact, we'd best shut up about PO, because if our offspring finds out we knew about it all along, they'll turn and wring our necks come 2036!
BANGOR — Two groups from the Passamaquoddy Tribe on Wednesday sued officials of the federal Bureau of Indian Affairs, saying the BIA failed to represent their views in its review of a proposed liquefied natural gas terminal in eastern Maine. A lawsuit was filed in U.S. District Court by a group called We Protect Our Homeland, an affiliate of Save Passamaquoddy Bay Three-Nation Alliance, and six members of the Pleasant Point Passamaquoddy community.
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The suit claims the BIA failed to conduct an environmental assessment on the impacts of siting a major industrial facility at Split Rock, as required by the National Environmental Policy Act, and violated the National Historic Preservation Act by failing to consider the historic significance of the Split Rock site.
It also says the BIA failed to consider the impact of the lease on the Pleasant Point community, in violation of federal requirements, and failed to ensure that the tribe receives fair market value for the leased lands.
Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 8:57 am Post subject: Re: Native Tribe In Maine Sues over LNG Terminal
We need the LNG, but do they need to site it in a place that could lead to wiping out a whole culture? Couldn't we put it where it wouldn't wipe out the Passamaquoddys? We need it in Maine to replace the Sable Island gas that is in steep decline now. They are already talking about rolling blackouts for the coldest part of the winter, due to shortage of nat gas to fire the Southern Maine power plants. If we don't get LNG in Maine, Irving will do itin New Brunswick and sell it to us anyway.
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Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 9:11 am Post subject: Re: Native Tribe In Maine Sues over LNG Terminal
yup, with emphasis on the PASS and the QUOD.
this is a really tough issue as revi points out. however, if the process was ambushed as suggested by the tribe (what? the govt bypassed due process? huh?), then i can sympathize. i know lots of people won't agree with me, but a little bit of rolling blackout action around here isn't the end of the world. it would get people to wake the f#ck up. and, i would argue, minimizing consumption is far preferable to just jacking up supply inexorably [which will, of course, cease to be an option at some point].
Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 9:41 am Post subject: Re: Native Tribe In Maine Sues over LNG Terminal
Sixty or seventy years ago, there was a government proposal to build a tidal power plant in Passamaquoddy Bay. (Tides are stronger the further away from the equator you are, and in narrow bodies of water such as the Bay of Fundy.)
I believe it was one of those government programs meant to give people jobs during the Great Depression by putting them to work on public works. They never went through with it, though, because it was ruled too expensive.
Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 1:34 pm Post subject: Re: Native Tribe In Maine Sues over LNG Terminal
I live outside Eureka CA. About 2 years ago a national contractor proposed a terminal just inside the protected harbor here on the northcoast. The inlet is narrow, can be treacherous, and leads right to Victorian Old Towne near where the ships would dock and offload. We objected on several counts.
1. Security measures would close down the inlet during offloading. This would endanger the fishing boats waiting outside the harbor in the north Pacific.
2. The project was to be built by skilled imported labor adding only temporary expense-income to our economy. The long-term job benefits few.
3. the 20-story tall LNG ships would scare away the increasingly important tourist industry. Timber is dying up here.
4. possibility of catastrophic accident or terrorism.
In the final analysis it would be another economic cut and run. The corporate timber industry strips the land, ships the timber away, and leaves poverty. This felt like more of the same. Now with the new energy plan I am worried that this bulbous monster will reappear
Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 2:25 am Post subject: Re: Native Tribe In Maine Sues over LNG Terminal
I don't know much about Maine but I do know Eureka, Ca. It is absolutely criminal to propose an LNG harbor in that tiny, remote rural community. It is just more exploitation of the rural poor by the rich urban elites in San Francisco, Sacramento, and above all Los Angeles.
If the people in LA cannot be torn away from their SUVs and their highways then build the explosive LNG terminals right in Santa Monica. Southern California liberals are the biggest hypocrites in the world. They want to drive everywhere, but they want to legislate all the hidden horror out of sight, out of mind.
Californians demand special blends of gasoline that nobody else in the country uses. The precious few refineries in California can barely meet demand. But God forbid anyone build a new refinery, and of course the California government and its host of political interest groups attack and penalize the energy producers.
Yet the California economy apart from agriculture is almost completely dependent on building more subdivisions, assimilating more immigrants; totally dependent on open borders and free trade. And the state government is totally paralyzed and owned by public union employees, because private industry is fleeing the state if not overseas.
It's a shame, California is a beautiful state with a creative, accepting culture. But those same qualities will sew its doom.
Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 11:44 am Post subject: Re: Native Tribe In Maine Sues over LNG Terminal
We may need to find some place to put an LNG terminal. Sable Island is dwindling. Something needs to be figured out and soon. Or the lights can go out. Boston has a terminal. We don't in Maine. That pipeline needs feeding. Where is the nat gas going to come from?
I've heard that the LNG burns much dirtier because of what you have to add to liquify it. There goes the main argument for natural gas. It's not cleaner, has to be brought in from far away, costs a lot. Why not wind?
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 1:55 pm Post subject: American/Indian History
{split from "The American Military" by SPG}
ALBY wrote:
The chinese will pollute the earth and kill their enemies with a previosuly unimaginable and amoral efficiency.
The United States came to exist as an entity by anihilating 99% of the indegineous people that lived in it's current boundaries. When Columbus landed there were 10 million people living here. By 1900 there were only 100,000 Native Americans still living. If you think the Chinese can somehow top the killing of 99% of a population of 10,000,000 people, I would love to hear how.
As for all those "brave men" they masacred millions of innocents and died to make money for cowards in pin stripe suits. If they were out there blowing up children and grandparents for my benefit, then they need to stop. They have F***'d things up badly enough already.
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Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 3:18 pm Post subject: Re: Venezuela takes back control of oil fields
smallpoxgirl wrote:
The United States came to exist as an entity by anihilating 99% of the indegineous people that lived in it's current boundaries. When Columbus landed there were 10 million people living here. By 1900 there were only 100,000 Native Americans still living.
Not quite right:
A. Columbus arrived in 1492. America came in 1776 and we we're not founded by Italians. if you are going to go back to the middle ages, then you ought to similarly upbraid the mongols, huns, and Romans. You can blame the Spanish for most of that slaughter, so in reality, you should be talking chit about the Mexicans.
B. There Might have been a total of one million Native Americans in north America around the turn of the 18th century. The Iroquois DOMINATED what is now the entire Eastern United States and Canada and their numbers were roughly 20,000 at the height of empire. And a brutal empire it was. At the time of the french and indian war, they we're still the greatest power on the North American Continent. My ancestors arrived in upstate NY in 1792 and it was still very much Indian country. The Mohawks killed more Indians than the British, French and Colonials combined, up until the Sullivan campaign. And the Sullivan Campaign was in direct retaliation for a WAVE OF TERROR created by the Iroquois at the behest of their British fathers.
The history of the Iroquois should be should serve as a stark reminder to Al Quaeda of just exactly what we are capable of when we are scared chitless.
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 4:17 pm Post subject: Re: Venezuela takes back control of oil fields
ALBY wrote:
Unrestricted Warfare, by Qiao Liang and Wang Xiangsui (Beijing: PLA Literature and Arts Publishing House, February 1999)
Ohh. I see.
Quote:
Hacking into websites, targeting financial institutions, terrorism, using the media, and conducting urban warfare are among the methods proposed
That definitely sounds worse than pinning Congressional Medals of Honor all over soldiers when they use Hotchkiss guns to mow down villages of unarmed people.
Joined: Sep 30, 2005 Posts: 439 Location: Baltimore County, Md
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 4:52 pm Post subject: Re: Venezuela takes back control of oil fields
smallpoxgirl wrote:
That definitely sounds worse than pinning Congressional Medals of Honor all over soldiers when they use Hotchkiss guns to mow down villages of unarmed people.
I read bury my heart at wounded knee. The Lakota have good PR. That was not the worst thing we did to the Indians by a long shot. The smallpox blankets at Fort Pitt, the Sullivan Campaign, The Tuscarora war. If you are going to hate yourself for something your ancestors did, at least pick the right stuff. (Sullivan campaign killed 5000 Iroquis women and children).
But hey, ask the stockbridge indians, the algonquin and the mahicans about what the mohawk did to them OR the creek or chippewa about the lakota. They killed an enslaved each other and the Mohawks were rumored to be cannibals !
I guess our killing them is worse then them killing each other because ... why ? Because some racist masquerading as a multiculturalist thinks we should have known better but the heathen savages were just doing what comes natural ?
History is the story of people conquering and killing one another. Better to be the winner than the loser. I'm all for doing whatever it takes to insure that WE win, because I don't want my daughter to grow up in a world where more women live under sharia law in the future than they do today. and if you read that ENTIRE piece, you'll see that china has a lot more in store for us than cyber attacks. they plan to nuke a carrier battle group before they overrun taiwan believing we won't sacrifice LA for Taipei. Build the missile shield already.
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 5:04 pm Post subject: Re: Venezuela takes back control of oil fields
Quote:
A. Columbus arrived in 1492. America came in 1776 and we were not founded by Italians.
For America to come into being required the genocide of the millions of people that lived here. It's not like the place was a big empty forest with a for-rent sign on it. It was peoples homes. Europeans moved in, killed the people who were here, burned their homes, and said "Let's call this America". It is our "Manifest Destiny" to kill all of you and steal all your stuff. Hitler called this the Lebensraum politic, and in the 70's it was reserected as the Carter Doctrine. Same tired story. Murder people. Take their stuff. Tell yourself they deserved it because they were savages, or communists, or terrorists or some other sort of genetic inferiors.
By the way. Columbus wasn't Italian. He sailed for Spain and most likely never set foot in Italy.
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if you are going to go back to the middle ages, then you ought to similarly upbraid the mongols, huns, and Romans.
If I had star spangled half-wits barking at me about all the brave Hun's that died for my freedom, I well might.
Quote:
The history of the Iroquois should be should serve as a stark reminder to Al Quaeda of just exactly what we are capable of when we are scared chitless.
Rather it should serve to the world as a chilling example of theproposterous web of lies you are willing to spin to justify your blatent robbery and murder.
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Those brave men are securing the oil so you can drive around and eat ADM processed food
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 5:30 pm Post subject: Re: Venezuela takes back control of oil fields
As far as I can glean from her posts, SmallPoxGirl, lives in a a mud hut, eats roots and berries and ministers to the sick. Nobody's wiping her nose. And why make economic arguments to justify a moral point of view, Alby? You want that your daughter grows up in a country without sharia law, but you would have her be complicit in atrocities on foreigners, so she can fuel her car? That is morally reprehensible, but economically pragmatic.
Choose to argue from a set of philosophical consistencies or admit that you can't. It's apples and oranges. And the moral reconciled with the economic is something that CAN be achieved and something we should strive for, no matter what happened in the past. It's called evolution.
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Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 7:27 pm Post subject: Re: Venezuela takes back control of oil fields
yes, the thread was hijacked.
well, i am sorry i flamed you threadbear... i have a house in the 1000 islands and spend a lot of time in canada and i must admit, it is a great place. hockey night in canada, molson brador and tim hortons...
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Build the missile shield already.
