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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 4:36 am    Post subject: Re: Bush: "America is addicted to Oil" Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Back off Revi, you're not getting your grubby hands on our beaver jerky!
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 7:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Bush: "America is addicted to Oil" Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

[quote="grabby"][quote="Keith_McClary"]
grabby wrote:

the other bushes daughter could mary the canadian prime minister, that would be fun.


If we could have our choice, can we get the dark haired one, Barbara?

I think she's cute and would make a fine Canadian. I also think she's brighter than Jenna.

Only problem is that we haven't permitted polygamy yet in Canada, so I am not sure what we'll do with Harper's wife Laureen in this scenario.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 7:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Bush: "America is addicted to Oil" Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I think Jenna should marry Justin Trudeau. The joining of dynasties, liberal and neo-con, it would be so Shakespearian.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 11:40 am    Post subject: Re: Bush: "America is addicted to Oil" Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

coyote wrote:
I'm kind of surprised -- I've been keeping an eye on Americans for Energy Independence since the SOTU speech; I expected them to be all over this one, but they haven't made a peep. They're the ones who have been espousing "energy independence by 2025," and making "Middle East and OPEC oil strategically irrelevant." The president spewed their message almost word for word. They've been remarkably quiet.



Energy inpependance in 2025 is toolate. Everyone will be dead.

That is in best case scenarion that says we have a trillion barrels left in the ground, which I doubt (That estimate was based on the PRE KUWAIT "WE ONLY HAVE HALF THAT MUCH" expose.

ok in 2005 we consume 84 MBD

Oil companies themselves say then have 1 trillion barrels left. I believe it is half of that. But lets say there is a trillion...

even if we have a trillion barrels left in the ground I will assume ALL THAT IS RECOVERABLE
which it is not, and RECOVERABLE AT AN INCREASEING RATE as they claim.
(Cause they are going to drill more wells)

It doesn't add up to life as we know it in 2025..


ok here is the breakdown.


2004 we used 31 gigabarrels 969 gigabarrels left.
2005= 32 gigabarrels 937 gigabarrels left.
2006= 32 gigabarrels 905 gigabarrels left.
2007= 33 gigabarrels 872 gigabarrels left.
2008= 34 gigabarrels 838 gigabarrels left.
2009= 34 gigabarrels 804 gigabarrels left.
2010= 35 gigabarrels 769 gigabarrels left.
2011= 36 gigabarrels 733 gigabarrels left.
2012= 36 gigabarrels 697 gigabarrels left.
2013= 37 gigabarrels 660 gigabarrels left.
2014= 37 gigabarrels 623 gigabarrels left.
2015= 38 gigabarrels 585 gigabarrels left.
2016= 38 gigabarrels 547 gigabarrels left.
2017= 39 gigabarrels 508 gigabarrels left.
2018= 40 gigabarrels 468 gigabarrels left.
2019= 40 gigabarrels 428 gigabarrels left.
2020= 41 gigabarrels 387 gigabarrels left.
2021= 42 gigabarrels 345 gigabarrels left.
2022= 42 gigabarrels 303 gigabarrels left.
2023= 43 gigabarrels 260 gigabarrels left.
2025= 44 gigabarrels produced 784 gigabarrels used 216 gigs left.
2026 = 46 gigabarrels produced 830 gigabarrels used 171 gigs left.
2027 = 47 gigabarrels produced 877 gigabarrels used 125 gigs left.
2028 = 48 gigabarrels produced 925 gigabarrels used 78 gigs left.
2029 = 49 gigabarrels produced 973 gigabarrels used 30 gigs left.

AND ON THE 25th year the world WOULD run out if there were any people left alive then after the nuke war chinese disaster..



My personal opinion, is that we have around 500 gigabarrels left and we will not get the last 1/4-1/8 of that out of the ground in any cost effective way. and the risks of an accidental nuke war escallates each year.
saber rattling is dangerous..

but don't threaten anyone when they don't respond to threats well, I would recommend

The mideast oil is running low already.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 12:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Bush: "America is addicted to Oil" Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Coyote, you are right. The reality is scary as hell. The only reason Bush told us we're addicted to oil is that he sees that he won't have enough to keep us all happy, so he is telling us we have a problem. He just wants to shift the blame. He's like a pusher who sees that he's not going to get next week's junk. He's telling all his addicts that they have to quit taking the stuff he sells. It won't work so well when we are all jonesing for oil next year and he doesn't have enough to give us. So it's time for a scapegoat. Who's good? How about Iran. They were good in the 70's and now they have a leader who keeps making bellicose statements. He may have nukes soon too. And he happens to be sitting on one of the last big pots of oil and gas. He'll do. When real scarcity comes we'll all be told that there's a good reason for it. And it'll be true.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 8:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Bush: "America is addicted to Oil" Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Hes not too concerned he's planning for retirement.

For now, Bush has started planning for his presidential library, to be built in Texas, either at Southern Methodist University, the University of Dallas or Baylor University, or else by a group led by Texas Tech University. Beyond that, Bush has said he is not sure what he'll do. Even now, he dismisses
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 9:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Bush: "America is addicted to Oil" Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Can anyone say whether "Americans for energy independence" are talking about oil imports, or all fuel impots, or all fuel imports plus the energy embedded in the vast flow of imported goods and materials into the US ?

Plainly, the third option has to be more than twice the first.

This is an issue that new posters often haven't got up to speed with - that US oil dependence is not just a matter of oil tankers docking - it is about economic stability around the world that, for now, maintains the flow of vital, useful and trivial goods across those docks.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 11:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Bush: "America is addicted to Oil" Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

It's wierd how he threw out "oil addiction" and "conservation" like that, and then reversed course the next day... Its doubly wierd that this didn't set off a detailed national discussion about oil reserves and the viability of alternative fuels. To me it says that 1) investigative journalism is dead 2) the public now has the attention span of a small dog 3) this might have just been a threat/warning to OPEC that the US could initiate savings efforts (decreasing demand and prices) if the taps aren't kept wide open. With that message sent the Addiction/Conservation topic recieved no more play... In short, the Oil Addiction/ alternative fuels statement might not have been directed at US audiences (who don't really pay attention to speeches anyway)
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 4:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Bush: "America is addicted to Oil" Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I think that "america is addicted to oil" will become his most famous words. His father had "read my lips, no new taxes" and Bill Clinton had "I did not have sex with that woman". I could be wrong, and that sound bite was wiped out by the superbowl.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 10:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Bush: "America is addicted to Oil" Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

The Secretary of the Department of Energy is being questioned on C-span to discuss the budget Bush submitted... It was pointed out that the administration was cutting R&D research funding despite its claim that it wanted to reduce America's dependance on foreign oil. He conceeded that the president supported the "goal" of decreasing oil importation, but that there was already enough free market incentive and private funds to produce new oil projects. Additionally, he seems to be saying that our current pace of research into alternative energy sources is all we need to be doing to meet the 20 year goal. He resisted offering support for legislation which would make the administration's commitment to decreasing oil dependance law (sigh).
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 2:32 am    Post subject: Re: Bush: "America is addicted to Oil" Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Revi wrote:
I think that "america is addicted to oil" will become his most famous words. His father had "read my lips, no new taxes" and Bill Clinton had "I did not have sex with that woman". I could be wrong, and that sound bite was wiped out by the superbowl.


He also stumbled on the words. Did anyone notice that? The quote looks nice in print, but he messed up the centerpiece of the whole speech. Only Bush!
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