How then, do we move backwards? How does a society, with most of the people having no clue of future events, move from being dependent on a vast and intertwined network of goods and services produced by the indigenous people of whereever, to a local resource and renewable energy based society, and do so in the timeframe available (20-30 years using the most liberal extimates, 10-20 with resonable estimates, 5-10 with worst case scenarios), all the while prices on everything increasing, world politics getting more militaristic, governments continuously reducing civil liberties, shortages of goods on the market and weather patterns resembling bad Hollywood movies?
Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 4:16 pm Post subject: Re: Bush: "America is addicted to Oil"
Bush: U.S. must break oil addiction
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President George W. Bush will describe the United States as "addicted to oil" in his State of the Union speech on Tuesday night and will urge the use of technology to reduce the dependence.
"America is addicted to oil, which is often imported from unstable parts of the world," Bush said, according to excerpts released by the White House. "The best way to break this addiction is through technology."
Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 4:20 pm Post subject: Re: Bush: "America is addicted to Oil"
NTBKtrader wrote:
"The best way to break this addiction is through technology..."
"...such as the technology in this JSF-35 strike fighter, which will allow us to slice through any barrier that stands in our way of securing the oil which lies beneath the sands of these heathens..."
_________________ “I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death.” George Carlin
Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 4:21 pm Post subject: Re: Bush: "America is addicted to Oil"
Historically, technology has just been a way to speed up the use of resources. Very little has or can conserve resources.
I think that this speach will be just another political con job to make the easily swayed public think that we have someone in charge to take care of us.
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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 4:24 pm Post subject: Re: Bush: "America is addicted to Oil"
Maybe he means nuclear technology? Sigh, probably not though. As usual, "technology" is used as a vague term to give an illusion of progress. More technology is not the answer.
But admitting the addiction is something at least. I'm sure it is all about politics anyway though. God forbid he actually have the country's best interests in mind!
Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 4:29 pm Post subject: Re: Bush: "America is addicted to Oil"
NTBKtrader wrote:
"The best way to break this addiction is through technology."
Whew! What a relief! For a moment there I though he was going to suggest that I'd actually have to walk, or cut back on energy use, or, you know, conserve. Apparently, we just have to buy more stuff.
Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 4:32 pm Post subject: Re: Bush: "America is addicted to Oil"
"Technology" more than likely means "hydrogen." Insert 25-30 minutes of pure tripe and a pontificating farce over the ability to fill up your car with water, watch for the glazed eyes of the populace once you mention that the only "exhaust" is "pure, clean water" and sit back and enjoy the show. The Murkan Dreem (motoring suburban utopia) will not stop in the face of expensive oil, because we'll never run out of water!! Water is freedom! _________________ “I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death.” George Carlin
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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 4:43 pm Post subject: Re: Bush: "America is addicted to Oil"
Hmm I wonder if he'll mention Peak oil or something related. If he does don't expect to see me around for awhile, I'll be in the Hospital recovering from a stroke.
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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 4:44 pm Post subject: Re: Bush: "America is addicted to Oil"
engulfthemanatee wrote:
More technology is not the answer.
Technology got us into this mess and technology can get us out of it. The Doomers saying that technology is evil and can't wait for thier hypothesised post PO calamaty to save Mother Earth from Evil Humanity and send us to the cow crap economy forget that technology is neither good nor evil, it what you do with it that is good or evil. Technology can easily used to make a sustainable indistrialized economy, The political will just isn't there yet and we have to get the world population down. _________________ "Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis." -Starvid
The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics only applies in a closed system; Earth is NOT a closed system.
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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 4:52 pm Post subject: Re: Bush: "America is addicted to Oil"
I like technology - it's one of the things that makes us humans.
But just "more technology" isn't very helpful. Appropriate technology is helpful. But nobody is much interested in the technologies I promote here at po.com, because they aren't all metallic and shiney, or atomic. _________________ "...powerdown so soft and fluffy you'll think you're living in a pillow..." - jboogy
Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 4:57 pm Post subject: Re: Bush: "America is addicted to Oil"
If America is addicted to oil then GW is the pusher. He is an oil man and the one-timer owner of a major league sports team. Big American sports has always used monopoly tactics to purchase, close down, and destroy town and local sports franchises and is part of the oil oligopoly. That man is the sleaziest most bestial self-pleasuring phoney christian hypocrite on this or any level of hell. _________________ ree rah rip ram. sunofabitch godamn. hidey didey christ almighty. rah rah crap
Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 5:00 pm Post subject: Re: Bush: "America is addicted to Oil"
I just find it ironic that he is one of the people that has been pushing the ‘great socialist easy motoring society’, by creating a ready market for oil use (all state subsidised of course for the good of humanity..and GM shareholders) and all the furnishings that go with it, which in turn, lucky devil, has made his family and all his buddies rich. Perhaps saying America is addicted is just another way of saying, look how successful I’ve been!
Joined: Aug 20, 2005 Posts: 79 Location: Oregon, USA
Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 5:05 pm Post subject: Re: Bush: "America is addicted to Oil"
Odin wrote:
engulfthemanatee wrote:
More technology is not the answer.
Technology got us into this mess and technology can get us out of it. The Doomers saying that technology is evil and can't wait for thier hypothesised post PO calamaty to save Mother Earth from Evil Humanity and send us to the cow crap economy forget that technology is neither good nor evil, it what you do with it that is good or evil. Technology can easily used to make a sustainable indistrialized economy, The political will just isn't there yet and we have to get the world population down.
You are right, but my concern is that it can't be done in time, or that we will end up chasing our tails. If Bush is talking about nuclear technology, sure, that's cool, and we may be on the right track. But I am skeptical about it because as you say, technology got us into this mess. I guess it's the political will part you mentioned that worries me. If the country was wholly united and honestly willing to solve this mess with no stupid politicizing and/or greed to get in the way, then it can be done. I just don't see that happening.
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