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Rafa
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 Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 5:29 pm Post subject: Re: Footage from an under construction american internment c |
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Interesting:
| Chocky wrote: | | If you look at Iraq at the moment, you will find that most Muslims are being killed not by Americans, but other Muslims. |
That is what people in the USA believe? In the rest of the world people believe that the US troops are directly responsible of the majority of the deaths; and explicit footage is sometimes shown showing that. |
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Dreamtwister
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| Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 5:59 pm Post subject: Re: Footage from an under construction american internment c |
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| Rafa wrote: | | and explicit footage is sometimes shown showing that. |
Footage that has never been, nor will ever be, aired in the United States. You can't blame Americans for believing the lies they are told, they have no access to the truth.
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TheTurtle
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| Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:08 pm Post subject: Re: Footage from an under construction american internment c |
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| seahorse2 wrote: | | Here is a link to the "endgame" plan formulated by the DHS. DHS |
An interesting document, seahorse. Hidden therein, we find the basic goals of Endgame: To aid in the arrest and detention of illegal aliens and to facilitate apprehension of potential terrorists.
In the glossary of the report, they define "alien", "absconder" and "fugitive". But they don't define "terrorist". 
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Chocky
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| Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:39 pm Post subject: Re: Footage from an under construction american internment c |
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| Quote: | | That is what people in the USA believe? |
I don't live in the USA so I can't say for sure.
| Quote: | | In the rest of the world people believe that the US troops are directly responsible of the majority of the deaths; and explicit footage is sometimes shown showing that. |
So the dozens of executed people turning up dead every day are being killed by Americans, and not government/militia death squads? |
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seahorse
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| Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 10:22 pm Post subject: Re: Footage from an under construction american internment c |
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Turtle, The fact DHS doesn't define "terrorist" is the scary part. Its also the problem I have with the ongoing "war" on terror, domestic spying, etc. It is easy to use the "immigration" problem as a public reason for funding these "detention facilities" which are also used to house "terrorists" as yet undefined enemies of the state. Hmmm.
How many Americans are aware of this "endgame" policy? I wasn't until just recently. What a crazy and scary name for a DHS policy. |
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Shannymara
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| Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 10:54 pm Post subject: Re: Footage from an under construction american internment c |
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| TheTurtle wrote: | To aid in the arrest and detention of illegal aliens and to facilitate apprehension of potential terrorists.
In the glossary of the report, they define "alien", "absconder" and "fugitive". But they don't define "terrorist". |
Not just "terrorist" - "potential terrorists". I agree:
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TheTurtle
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| Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:05 am Post subject: Re: Footage from an under construction american internment c |
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I heard that the reason the government doesn't define "terrorist" is because we often support people who, by any reasonable definition, could be considered "terrorists" (think Bin Laden against the USSR in Afghanistan in years gone by). Since the government doesn't want to legally open itself up to charges of supporting "terrorists", they leave the definition open ended ... sort of "we know a terrorist when we see one" and "if we call it a terrorist, then it's a terrorist."
Double scary: I've said it before, but it bears repeating: Orwell was a bloody genius!
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seahorse
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| Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 8:25 pm Post subject: Re: Footage from an under construction american internment c |
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The United States has a new police agency for its war on terror, acronym "ICE." DHS - ICE
Please read all the links. The ICE touts all the new expansive police powers it has with its goal of becoming America's premier police force. Where does the FBI fit into all this I was wondering? At any rate, notice how it has many, many jobs - operating detention facilities, securing federal buildings, monitoring the movement of money etc in the US (domestic spying maybe?), it mentions having the authority to prevent civil disobedience etc. Interesting new agency, new police force for this war on terror. |
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smallpoxgirl
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| Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 8:57 pm Post subject: Re: Footage from an under construction american internment c |
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| TheTurtle wrote: | | I've said it before, but it bears repeating: Orwell was a bloody genius! |
Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia
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oswald622
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| Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 1:38 am Post subject: Re: Footage from an under construction american internment c |
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| informedEJ, i'm really curious about those pics. please post them soon. what air force base was it, by the way? |
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Magus
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| Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 2:00 am Post subject: Re: Footage from an under construction american internment c |
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"ENDGAME"...such an onminous name...and this new organization, "ICE." It, and the Department of Homeland Security as a whole, are beginning to remind me of this fictional organization: UNATCO
Notice any similarities between the two? I think we can confidently conclude here that this ICE organiazation could quite possibly become a secret police.
(I highly recommend that any reader of this site (and avid gamer) purchase the game "DEUS EX." While being one hell of gaming experience, it also touches on many issues mentioned here (corporate greed, conspiracies, global pandemics, terrorism, lies...the whole works) and has the distinction of being a first-person shooter that actually encourages you to AVOID killing people.) |
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Kickinthegob
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| Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 3:11 am Post subject: Re: Footage from an under construction american internment c |
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| seahorse wrote: | | The ICE touts all the new expansive police powers it has with its goal of becoming America's premier police force |
I had never heard of ICE before and then saw a TV show or movie awhile back with all these guys running around with ICE on their backs, Donald Sutherland was in it. Not sure what it was about, I usually like Sutherland but there was something just plain 'wrong' about the show so I think I went outside to play.
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A blonde in sunglasses and an older white gent in handcuffs? 
How many policing agencies does the US have now?
ICE, CIA, FBI, NSA, DEA...I know there are about 5 more!? They all need somewhere to stuff the criminals America is apparently full of - crazy. |
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mattduke
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| Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 3:28 pm Post subject: Re: Footage from an under construction american internment c |
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| Let's see the high-resolution satellite imagery of these sites. Whose got the google maps links? |
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InformedEJ
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| Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 8:46 pm Post subject: Re: Footage from an under construction american internment c |
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| oswald622 I working on getting those pictures digitized... taking longer than i thought. The base that it was near is Edwards Air Force Base in California... |
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oswald622
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| Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 3:50 am Post subject: Re: Footage from an under construction american internment c |
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| InformedEJ wrote: | | oswald622 I working on getting those pictures digitized... taking longer than i thought. The base that it was near is Edwards Air Force Base in California... |
edwards isn't in northern california. are you sure that's right? |
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