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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 8:13 am    Post subject: Re: Homeland Security Contracts for Vast New Detention Camps Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 8:29 am    Post subject: Re: Homeland Security Contracts for Vast New Detention Camps Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Does the uk have anything similar??

Not really. We have holding centres for illegal immigrants. This was a prominent issue in the media a year or two back but all has gone quiet now. As we are a small island the problem of where to put them seem to take the most air time.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 9:18 am    Post subject: Re: Homeland Security Contracts for Vast New Detention Camps Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

According to Halliburton Watch, it isn't so much about a Weimar Republic scenario as it is about simply sending business to the administration's favorite contractor:

Halliburton gets 'immigration emergency' contract as prosecutions skyrocket in its hometown

Let's hope they're right, and it's just Business As Usual...
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 9:18 am    Post subject: Re: Homeland Security Contracts for Vast New Detention Camps Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

There are plenty of real dangers in the world. There's no need to get our panties in a wad over some wingnut, tinfoil news article.
The reason this news has not been widely circulated in the main line media is that there is no basis for it. Our concern over FEMA should be if they will show up on time with the goods; it's virtually impossible to believe FEMA is a danger. How can one even use the word FEMA and effectiveness in the same sentence?

A $380 million government contract to a subsidiary of Halliburton will result in a truckload on cocktail napkins. Halliburton and the gang have multi-billion dollar contracts to provide security in Iraq, build up the the electrical grid, and the oil intrastructure. Look at any of your daily newspapers the last three years, you do see even an iota of real results?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 9:25 am    Post subject: Re: Homeland Security Contracts for Vast New Detention Camps Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Don't be so hard on them Aahala.... Look what a good job FEMA did in New Orleans. They totally had the situation under control. Efficent , organized, ok ok I can't go on Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 9:34 am    Post subject: Re: Homeland Security Contracts for Vast New Detention Camps Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

In light of what promises to be a bigger hurricane season than last year's,I'd say the government has finally figured out that 2+2=4 and needs to prepare in advance.If they were caught with their pants down again,people might finally notice they're missing some vital parts.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 10:23 am    Post subject: Re: Homeland Security Contracts for Vast New Detention Camps Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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In light of what promises to be a bigger hurricane season than last year's,I'd say the government has finally figured out that 2+2=4 and needs to prepare in advance.

And why do they have to be detention camps, and not refugee camps?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 10:27 am    Post subject: Re: Homeland Security Contracts for Vast New Detention Camps Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Let's take Halliburton at their word at the moment, and believe that these huge camps are there to be prepared "in the event of an emergency influx of immigrants into the U.S." Why is the administration suddenly worried about that?

Well...I think the Halliburton press release says it all:
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The contract may also provide migrant detention support to other U.S. Government organizations in the event of an immigration emergency, as well as the development of a plan to react to a national emergency, such as a natural disaster. In the event of a natural disaster, the contractor could be tasked with providing housing for ICE personnel performing law enforcement functions in support of relief efforts.
ICE was established in March 2003 as the largest investigative arm of the Department of Homeland Security. ICE is comprised of four integrated divisions that form a 21st century law enforcement agency with broad responsibilities for a number of key homeland security priorities.


This isn't just about an "immigration emergency". It's about Immigrations assuming "law enforcement functions" in a "national emergency" to support "a number of key homeland security priorities".

I think it bears mentioning that as part of the cointelpro program the FBI maintained an "Agitator Index" throughout the 50's, 60's, and 70's. This was a list of domestic political undesirables who were to be picked up and held in the event of a "national emergency." The FBI was ordered to cease and decist from cointelpro after the Senate's Church Commission hearings in 1976, but it's pretty clear that many of the same individuals who carried out cointelpro are still employed by the FBI and are still carrying out the same sort of activities just under different program names. The JTTF's have been heavily used in this way. So, I would be willing to bet that at least part of the plan for the new concentration camp is to have someplace to put domestic rabble rousers during the next "national emergency."
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 10:41 am    Post subject: Re: Homeland Security Contracts for Vast New Detention Camps Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

It's a good point Doly.Also,why the references to 'immigrants'? I'd say it comes down to the spin you put on it.One possible inference is that they must prevent people returning to areas where basic sanitation and medical infrastructure has been knocked out.They had a problem with NOLA in that regard.Another,more frightening interpretation might be they are preparing for a pandemic.
My problem with the whole Alex Jones spin is this.I think fascism is a growing threat in all democracies:I just don't think there are enough people willing to fight it that would require internment camps.After all of its postwar success in hoodwinking populations,government has a pretty good playbook on moving people in the direction it wants to.9/11 testifies to that.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 11:50 am    Post subject: Re: Homeland Security Contracts for Vast New Detention Camps Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

HHmm.. interesting article. After reading the article a lot of the article points to a disaster. Has anyone mentioned avian influenza as a possiblity for this contract. It seems very logical to me, "influx of immigrants", where is the first place people from Mexico will go to get supplies either medical or food.... The USA.. Just some food for thought.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 12:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Homeland Security Contracts for Vast New Detention Camps Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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It's probably completely unrelated, I know, but I'm beginning to wonder what Hitler said to explain the building of concentration camps.
Pretty sure the first ones were for politcal prisoners and dissidents, mainly communists, and that the Nazi government said as much, emphasising the threat they posed etc, etc.
The Communists were hunted down after the Nazi takeover. A simple thing like using the "comrade" could spell death.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 1:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Homeland Security Contracts for Vast New Detention Camps Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I'm going to try to get a copy of the KBR contract. If and when I do, I will post it.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 1:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Homeland Security Contracts for Vast New Detention Camps Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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The Communists were hunted down after the Nazi takeover. A simple thing like using the "comrade" could spell death.

Yeah. The whole Nazi-Communist-Weimar Government triangulation is pretty interesting. Even before the Nazi's really came to national power there was considerable blood shed from street fighting between them and the communists. That street fighting, and the Weimar government's inability to stop it, made people feel vulnerable and like the Weimar government was totaly impotent. Eventually the turned to the Nazi's to restore order and make them feel more secure. One of the things the Weimar government did in response to the street fights was to basically ban all private firearms ownership, which eventually made it a lot easier for the Nazis to implement their program without resistance.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 2:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Homeland Security Contracts for Vast New Detention Camps Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

The National Security State is gearing up. These Dillon Aero M134D six-barrel Gatling guns are being installed to protect what? a couple vials of nuclear material at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory. And the lab is going to be ringed with such firepower.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 2:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Homeland Security Contracts for Vast New Detention Camps Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Doly wrote:
And why do they have to be detention camps, and not refugee camps?

That probably has to do with the linear feet of barbed wire per sq. foot and the number of guard towers and machine guns! 'Shock'
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