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Nothing in that article bothers me, except the higher costs for veterans.
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pepper2000
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| Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 4:01 am Post subject: Re: The looting continues |
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The departments of Education, Commerce, Interior and Energy — will see their budgets, on average, frozen or cut slightly below today's already austere levels.
I guess the State of the Union was a bunch of empty promises after all. The future doesn't matter any more in America. |
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| Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 12:38 pm Post subject: Re: The looting continues |
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We're broke!
These deficits are huge and mounting.
What are you expecting?
A massive tax hike to pay for a massive expansion of our infrastructure? Try getting that past Joe Sixpack in an election year.
Bush Senior lost to Clinton because of his 1990 tax hike. If Bush Junior attempted anything even close to what his father did...the GOP might as well just hand over the keys to Capital Hill.
So without a tax hike or a cut in Medicare (impossible), Social Security (unthinkable), debt payment (illegal), or the military (we're fighting several wars, remember?) Bush has no choice but to cut other spending.
Or we could just keep bleeding red ink until the world cuts us off.
I dislike some of the cuts, but we don't really have a choice. Frankly I think we could slim the Pentagon's budget a little to keep the DOE fully funded. But some of these other programs have to disappear. We're overextended and on the verge of bankruptcy unless something changes...FAST.
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eric_b
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| Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 1:04 pm Post subject: Re: The looting continues |
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| Tyler_JC wrote: | We're broke!
These deficits are huge and mounting.
What are you expecting?
A massive tax hike to pay for a massive expansion of our infrastructure? Try getting that past Joe Sixpack in an election year.
Bush Senior lost to Clinton because of his 1990 tax hike. If Bush Junior attempted anything even close to what his father did...the GOP might as well just hand over the keys to Capital Hill.
So without a tax hike or a cut in Medicare (impossible), Social Security (unthinkable), debt payment (illegal), or the military (we're fighting several wars, remember?) Bush has no choice but to cut other spending.
Or we could just keep bleeding red ink until the world cuts us off.
I dislike some of the cuts, but we don't really have a choice. Frankly I think we could slim the Pentagon's budget a little to keep the DOE fully funded. But some of these other programs have to disappear. We're overextended and on the verge of bankruptcy unless something changes...FAST. |
lol. Where did I say anything about raising taxes?
I guess I was hoping for something resembling a balanced budget.
My anger has to do with the Iraq war. We're hemorrhaging money
over there and only making the situation worse. It disgusts me. So
much money wasted in Iraq. How much has simply disappeared? And
then there's all the corrupt crony contracts with outfits like Haliburton. No
accountability. Talk about looting.
And we do have a choice. Get the hell out of Iraq, NOW.
Not like it's going to happen, so we continue heading towards fiscal
extinction at an accelerated rate.
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LadyRuby
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| Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 1:08 pm Post subject: Re: The looting continues |
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It's going to take both spending cuts and tax increases.
Yes, INCREASE TAXES, don't be afraid .... |
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silveredwings
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 8:57 pm Post subject: Re: The looting continues |
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I fantasize a future where our leaders have the power to stand up to big oil and cut off the subsidies and favored treatment, where we don't have to send our sons, daughters and hard-to-come-by earnings to fight other countries' wars, and where the renuable energy technologies we develop instead are so much more valuable than petroleum that not only do we have a balanced world trade but the middle-east can no longer fund terrorism.
Naw, that's crazy talkin'. So much for daring to dream. We could never figure all that out. Besides, our kids don't deserve a world in which they can survive, do they? |
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pstarr
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| Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 11:18 am Post subject: Re: The looting continues |
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| Tyler_JC wrote: | A massive tax hike to pay for a massive expansion of our infrastructure? Try getting that past Joe Sixpack in an election year.
Bush Senior lost to Clinton because of his 1990 tax hike. If Bush Junior attempted anything even close to what his father did...the GOP might as well just hand over the keys to Capital Hill. |
besides being completely off the point, the historical context is wrong. Bush lost because he lied when he made his empty pledge: "read my lips--no new taxes." The electorate slapped his skinny whiney little patrician butt for lying to them and then failing to uphold the pledge. The folks were just stupid enough to believe in the tooth fairy but not too stupid to punish the twit.
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| Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 4:26 pm Post subject: Re: The looting continues |
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| pepper2000 wrote: | The departments of Education, Commerce, Interior and Energy — will see their budgets, on average, frozen or cut slightly below today's already austere levels.
I guess the State of the Union was a bunch of empty promises after all. The future doesn't matter any more in America. |
The point is not that the future does not matter. They appear to be spending like there is no future due to the fact that there is none. At very least, they are not going to have afuture that is like today....
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Liamj
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| Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 4:35 pm Post subject: Re: The looting continues |
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| To bankrupt government suits the private profiteers just fine, watch as we all let it happen and deliver ourselves into serfdom. |
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UIUCstudent01
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rogerhb
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| Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 8:09 pm Post subject: Re: The looting continues |
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| UIUCstudent01 wrote: | | There was something recently something about selling national forested land to pay for the education cuts. |
Yes, it was "We will sell off everything that is not nailed down, that will teach them!"
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| Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 9:56 pm Post subject: Re: The looting continues |
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| UIUCstudent01 wrote: | | There was something recently something about selling national forested land to pay for the education cuts. |
I am surrounded my federally owned "National Forest Land". It's about as much a "forest" as my front lawn.
"National Tree Farm" would be a more apt description. The forest products companies get the timber off it for next to nothing so they might as well own it. Then local governments could better tax them.
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UIUCstudent01
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| Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 10:25 pm Post subject: Re: The looting continues |
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| TommyJefferson wrote: | | UIUCstudent01 wrote: | | There was something recently something about selling national forested land to pay for the education cuts. |
I am surrounded my federally owned "National Forest Land". It's about as much a "forest" as my front lawn.
"National Tree Farm" would be a more apt description. The forest products companies get the timber off it for next to nothing so they might as well own it. Then local governments could better tax them. |
I guess it's better than getting trees from the rainforest or Canada...
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