Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 1:08 pm Post subject: Re: Which countries will be best prepared for a post-PO worl
Welcome Cudabachi
This has been discussed at length and what i've gathered is everybody seems to think THEIR area will be ok while the rest of the world suffers.
The truth is, since nobody can predict the future, none of us really know. Keep your eyes & ears open & have an escape route planned. _________________ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes.
Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 2:37 pm Post subject: Re: Which countries will be best prepared for a post-PO worl
What is the sustainable population for your country? What is the current population? Those countries with the biggest portion of excess population will have the biggest adjustment (dieoff).
I don't think it will go well anywhere. If you compare a country like Cuba which is already down in the dumps to a country like the USA, then I think the USA will have a much worse experience. This is not an endorsement for Cuban communism, but a recognition that politically they already did to themselves what oil shortage will do the the "have" countries in the future; both will have significant deaths.
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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 3:49 pm Post subject: Re: Which countries will be best prepared for a post-PO worl
Zimbabwe seems to be trying to find out what it will be like. _________________ "Complex problems have simple, easy to understand, wrong answers." - Henry Louis Mencken
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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 9:04 pm Post subject: Re: Which countries will be best prepared for a post-PO worl
Sweden has my vote...hands down. _________________ Exporting oil is an act of treason"-- Heitor Manoel Pereira, president of AEPET in Brazil, January 06, 2006
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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 11:53 pm Post subject: Re: Which countries will be best prepared for a post-PO worl
Peak oil is a period of rapid change for society. The countries who are the best prepared for peak oil are those whose leadership is most responsive to change. Currently that means none of them.
Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 12:49 am Post subject: Re: Which countries will be best prepared for a post-PO worl
I would say Iceland, Denmark, and Sweden. I guess central australia where they don't use oil, and tribal cultures in Africa. Cuba might not be too bad because of all the local farming. Brazil already has a pretty strong ethanol industry, so that would lessen the blow.
Rural North America in arable regions would fare alright as long as armed gangs don't take it all over (Mad Max scenario), but we are talking a minority of land and very small minority of people with knowledge and will to live rurally in North America. Arable land, good rainfall, and low population density are the places to be post peak. _________________ "If humans don't control their numbers, nature will." -Pimentel
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Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 11:10 am Post subject: Re: Which countries will be best prepared for a post-PO worl
Falconoffury wrote:
Rural North America in arable regions would fare alright as long as armed gangs don't take it all over (Mad Max scenario), but we are talking a minority of land and very small minority of people with knowledge and will to live rurally in North America.
Rural USA is already an armed gang itself, so I doubt that the worst gang from the worst city would stand even a slim chance. I bet most of the city boys would be scared to death just to spend one night in the woods, much less be able to face a high powered hunting rifle at 200 yds. Holding a 9mm glock sideways may look cool in the hood, but it would be totally ineffective in a gunfight against aimed fire or even a pointed shotgun at 50 yds.
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Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 12:10 pm Post subject: Re: Which countries will be best prepared for a post-PO worl
Prior to the hydrocarbon age, alcoholic beverages were so valued, they have been used as currency going back to the beginning of civilization. In fact, the purpose of the alcohol excise tax was to move farmers away from fermenting all their grain into whiskey.
Face it, if you're starving, homeless, wet and cold what do you want to do before you die? Have sex with a lovely maiden? Not available, sorry. Eat a great feast? Also not available. Get drunk? Can be arranged. Prior to our comfortable existence our ancestors worked for food and drink. A lot of you survivalist just don't understand the state of mind. Hungry people are weak and don't really feel like fighting. Alcohol helped them keep their mind off the fact that life was nothing but suffering. Everyone drank in the old days. Preachers, ditch diggers, politicians. President Grant was constantly drunk his whole life. When notified of that fact, Lincoln said "well find out what his brand of whiskey is and I'll send him a couple cases of it."
Brewers, farmers and distillers will do very well in a post collapse society. Geographic location makes little difference.
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Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 12:31 pm Post subject: Re: Which countries will be best prepared for a post-PO worl
Kingcoal wrote:
Prior to the hydrocarbon age, alcoholic beverages were so valued, they have been used as currency going back to the beginning of civilization.
Alcohol can be seen as a saviour of civilisation because it meant you could still drink when the water was unsafe, because (a) you are boiling the water (b) alchohol kills lot's of nasties.
Beer is basically liquid bread. _________________ "Complex problems have simple, easy to understand, wrong answers." - Henry Louis Mencken
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Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 2:15 pm Post subject: Re: Which countries will be best prepared for a post-PO worl
Leaf wrote:
Top 5 worse nations Western Nations post peak oil
1. USA 2. The UK 3. France 4. Italy 5. Belguim -Netherlands
My top 5 Better West Nations Post peak-
1. Finland 2. Maybe Norway 3. Iceland 4. No one 5. No one
The USA is a very large country with significant political, economic, geographical and climatological differences from coast to coast. The USA has a total area of 9,629,091 sq km compared to 9,938,000 sq km for all of Europe. All 5 of the other countries in your top 5 worse nations have a combined total area of just over 1,165,000 sq km.
Given that the USA has a population of somewhere around 300,000,000, it has a population density of about 30 people per sq km which is far closer to that of your three favorite countries than it is the other 5 (which have population densities between 100 and 400 people per sq km).
I agree with you that PARTS of the USA will be survival hell after PO finally manifests itself. But there are a great many parts of the country which will fare relatively well (good climate, plenty of open spaces, arable land, good water, few people).
On the other hand, given that the gulf stream is about to shut down and a mini ice-age will soon descend on northern latitudes of Europe, I'd recommend packing lots of warm clothing to anyone who decides to move to Finland, Norway or Iceland. _________________ “Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves.” (Ted Perry)
Joined: Nov 24, 2005 Posts: 743 Location: The ever shrinking wilds of Norway
Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 2:46 pm Post subject: Re: Which countries will be best prepared for a post-PO worl
TheTurtle wrote:
Leaf wrote:
Top 5 worse nations Western Nations post peak oil
1. USA 2. The UK 3. France 4. Italy 5. Belguim -Netherlands
My top 5 Better West Nations Post peak-
1. Finland 2. Maybe Norway 3. Iceland 4. No one 5. No one
The USA is a very large country with significant political, economic, geographical and climatological differences from coast to coast. The USA has a total area of 9,629,091 sq km compared to 9,938,000 sq km for all of Europe. All 5 of the other countries in your top 5 worse nations have a combined total area of just over 1,165,000 sq km.
Given that the USA has a population of somewhere around 300,000,000, it has a population density of about 30 people per sq km which is far closer to that of your three favorite countries than it is the other 5 (which have population densities between 100 and 400 people per sq km).
I agree with you that PARTS of the USA will be survival hell after PO finally manifests itself. But there are a great many parts of the country which will fare relatively well (good climate, plenty of open spaces, arable land, good water, few people).
On the other hand, given that the gulf stream is about to shut down and a mini ice-age will soon descend on northern latitudes of Europe, I'd recommend packing lots of warm clothing to anyone who decides to move to Finland, Norway or Iceland.
I agree to most of what you say. I think both Finland and Norway will become destabilized by collapsing neighbours. Iceland, could due to its isolation, fare pretty well (if they don't fish up all the fish, chop down the rest of their forest and erode the rest of their top-soil).
Many parts of the US will do good, but remember to blow up the bridges or people may use the rest of their gasoline to reach these locations.
And by the way, many parts of USA is much colder than Norway, Iceland and Finland. Have you heard about the gulf stream?
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