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Ghog Heavy Crude


Joined: Jul 18, 2005 Posts: 291 Location: Pennsylvania
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Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 8:55 am Post subject: Construction Spending Hits Record in Feb |
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| Quote: | | Construction spending rose to a record level in February as home building hit an all-time high despite a weakening in home sales, the government said Monday. |
If you build it, they won't necessarily come. If building McMansions that fewer are buying (or can afford) is a "source of strength",............
| Quote: | | .......construction should remain a source of strength for the economy in 2006 as private building of offices, factories and other projects takes up the slack from a cooling housing market. |
Where are we importing the jobs from to fill these businesses?
http://www.comcast.net/finance/index.jsp?cat=FINANCE&fn=/2006/04/03/359623.html |
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Spideykid Tar Sands


Joined: Apr 22, 2005 Posts: 65
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Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 10:28 am Post subject: Re: Construction Spending Hits Record in Feb |
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| One has to wonder what the heck is going on. |
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NeoPeasant Light Sweet Crude


Joined: Oct 12, 2004 Posts: 1012 Location: In the suburban sea of strangers
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Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 10:53 am Post subject: Re: Construction Spending Hits Record in Feb |
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How much of this increased construction spending is actually increased material and energy costs? Is more being built or is the same level of construction costing more?
I predict that residential construction will crash rather abruptly when several builders are forced to sell a streetload of spec houses at a loss and then default on their business loans. The cost of building is climbing just as the ability of potential buyers to finance mortgages and bear the transportation and utility costs of suburban living is eroding. The big spectacular crash is still to come. _________________ The battle to preserve our lifestyle has already been lost. The battle to preserve our lives is just beginning. |
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jaws Light Sweet Crude


Joined: Apr 24, 2005 Posts: 1257
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Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:40 am Post subject: Re: Construction Spending Hits Record in Feb |
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The builders aren't stupid. They saw the blubble crash coming from a year away, and were prepared for it when it came. They were the first to slash prices while everyone else was still in denial.
While prices are no longer increasing, they're still high enough to justify building new houses. That's what they're going to do. |
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hoplite Heavy Crude


Joined: Oct 22, 2004 Posts: 300
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Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 1:07 pm Post subject: Re: Construction Spending Hits Record in Feb |
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| 10 years ago we built homes for ~60-70 per sq. foot and sold for 100/sq. ft. (Bay Area, Northern California) Today we're building for 70-100/sq. ft. and selling for 200! We're slowing down on production and we're decreasing our spec level somewhat but we have a LONG way to go before this down cycle begins to hurt us. I was at a meeting the other day and the executive team considers this down cycle to be more of an opportunity to increase the land bank than anything else. WE (the builders) can easily reduce our prices by 50% (or more...) and still make a ton of dough! There is no doubt though, that all these IDIOTS with the ARMs/HELOCS/Interest Only products are going to crash and burn when the ability to escape that $4,000 mortgage payment by selling the house evaporates. Most people who bought in the last two years are now upside down on their loans and they don't even know it yet! |
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shortonoil Fission


Joined: Dec 02, 2004 Posts: 2752 Location: VA USA
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Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 3:12 pm Post subject: Re: Construction Spending Hits Record in Feb |
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| Quote: | | I was at a meeting the other day and the executive team considers this down cycle to be more of an opportunity to increase the land bank than anything else. WE (the builders) can easily reduce our prices by 50% (or more...) and still make a ton of dough! |
With construction cost rising by about 30% per year and banks’ getting into a liquidity squeeze because of the FED’s 5% reserve policy and increasing defaults your approach, may be, a little myopic. |
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hoplite Heavy Crude


Joined: Oct 22, 2004 Posts: 300
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Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:37 pm Post subject: Re: Construction Spending Hits Record in Feb |
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| shortonoil wrote: | | Quote: | | I was at a meeting the other day and the executive team considers this down cycle to be more of an opportunity to increase the land bank than anything else. WE (the builders) can easily reduce our prices by 50% (or more...) and still make a ton of dough! |
With construction cost rising by about 30% per year and banks’ getting into a liquidity squeeze because of the FED’s 5% reserve policy and increasing defaults your approach, may be, a little myopic. |
myopia must be contagious 'round here... our costs have not and are not rising @ "30%" per annum... The only thing that came close to a 30% increase was steel, and that was last year. That's 1 product not "everything". (steel is way back down now)
Even if "construction costs" (a typically nebuolous term typically tossed about by PO.com regulars) were to rise 30% we'd squeeze another 15% out of labor if we had to and eat the the other 15:)
We hedge(CME) our lumber purchases sometimes(see www.randomlengths.com) and I can tell you that lumber is DOWN 20% from the PEAK reached in 2004. So don't go talking out your ass when you don't know wtf yer talkin' about, Doll.
File this latest bit of PO.COM BULLSHIT with the Iranian March invasion/Bourse/Dollar Collapse/Bird flue pandemic/housing bubble implosion horseshit where it belongs...in the trash. |
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gego Light Sweet Crude

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Joined: Mar 03, 2005 Posts: 1334
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Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 7:29 pm Post subject: Re: Construction Spending Hits Record in Feb |
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If you go to work everyday, then you assume that the work you do will result in satisfying someone's need.
Contractors cannot just one day decide not to work. They build houses and sell them. If they don't sell houses, eventually they cannot finanace an additional new house to build. So it is not that contractors resopnd immediately to the desires of home buyers; rather they respond to their own inability to pay for building one more house until they have disposed of existing inventory.
Construdtion starts are a lagging indicator. Inventory of unsold homes is a concurrent indicator, so record construction spending is history, not a predictor of the future.
Wake up and smell the roses! |
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cudabachi Heavy Crude


Joined: Feb 09, 2006 Posts: 417 Location: Venezuela
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Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:22 pm Post subject: Re: Construction Spending Hits Record in Feb |
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| hoplite wrote: | | File this latest bit of PO.COM BULLSHIT with the Iranian March invasion/Bourse/Dollar Collapse/Bird flue pandemic/housing bubble implosion horseshit where it belongs...in the trash. |
I feel the love. |
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