I think this is the beginnings of an economy based on perpetual growth and fossil fuel energy running headlong into geological energy constraints. Basically I see an undulatory downward path for the rest of my life. From here out, I think any rallies in our economic condition are going to be met with spiking commodity prices that knock us right back down.
Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 7:27 pm Post subject: Why be afraid?
What is there to fear, when God is in control? I've learned quickly that all things in this world, must come to pass. Just think about these verses.
Even though we are all guilty of sin against God. Just think about how many of the Ten Commandments you have broken.
"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God." (Romans 3:23)
And our breaking His Law (sinning) will keep us from entering Heaven because of our unrighteousness. Worse off, because we're guilty of breaking His Law, we will end up in Hell.
"Or don't you know that the unrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom of God?" (1 Corinthians 6:9)
Even though we disobey Him and have broken His Laws, God loves us so much that He grants eternal life for those who repent of thier sins and trust in Jesus Christ, who spent six hours dying in our place on a cross to save us sinners.
"For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." (Romans 6:23)
He is trustworthy for those who put their trust in Him.
"Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him." (Proverbs 30:5)
Jesus will never leave or forsake His followers, even unto the end of the world.
"I am with you always, even unto the end of the world." (Matthew 28:20)
Why live in fear? The worst thing that can happen to someone is death! Since repentence and trust in Jesus Christ brings eternal life, there is nothing left to fear!
Something to think about.
God Bless,
ED _________________ Have you ever thought about God and eternity? What will you say when you stand before our Creator after you die?
Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 7:42 pm Post subject: Re: Why be afraid?
Just what we need, a believer.
When faith instead of proof is the means of perceiving reality, it is just as undefensable to hypothesize that invisible butterflys created the universe and constantly monitor human behavior, as it is to come up with the god theory.
I have heard many times that the big bang is just a theory, but what the religious believers do not recognize it that god is juat a theory also. The difference is that the god theory has zero evidence while the big bang theory has a logical basis in observation and experiment. Yes, it is possible that the big bang theory will prove to be flawed, but what will replace it will be new discoveries so any new knowledge will be based on science and not hocus pocus, and the chance of this creation of the human mind, god, in the image of man, will be the replacement of the big bang theory is zero.
The really sad thing, is that the rural idiot population who heavily believe in the god fantacy will more likely survive than the more scientific urban population. I just can't wait for the future witch hunts, post peak oil; what an ironic end to civilization.
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Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 7:43 pm Post subject: Re: Why be afraid?
That's fine ED, but even if my soul is saved Peak Oil might ravage my body with starvation, violence, disease, frostbite, hypothermia, parasites, sores, boils, thirst... hey wait a minute, this is starting to sound biblical. _________________ "He who makes no mistakes isn't trying hard enough" Genghis Khan
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Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 7:54 pm Post subject: Re: Why be afraid?
gego wrote:
Just what we need, a believer.
When faith instead of proof is the means of perceiving reality, it is just as undefensable to hypothesize that invisible butterflys created the universe and constantly monitor human behavior, as it is to come up with the god theory.
I have heard many times that the big bang is just a theory, but what the religious believers do not recognize it that god is juat a theory also. The difference is that the god theory has zero evidence while the big bang theory has a logical basis in observation and experiment. Yes, it is possible that the big bang theory will prove to be flawed, but what will replace it will be new discoveries so any new knowledge will be based on science and not hocus pocus, and the chance of this creation of the human mind, god, in the image of man, will be the replacement of the big bang theory is zero.
The really sad thing, is that the rural idiot population who heavily believe in the god fantacy will more likely survive than the more scientific urban population. I just can't wait for the future witch hunts, post peak oil; what an ironic end to civilization.
What requires more Faith?
Walk to your window and look at the nearest building and say it was not built.
Or..
Walk to a mirror and look at yourself, who is trillions of times more complex and intricate than any building, and then say to yourself you were not created.
God was right about those who deny Him.
“The fool says in his heart, ‘There is no God.’” (Psalm 14:1).
Come on, be honest. Do you really believe God doesn't exist, or are you just trying to avoid accountabilty for your sins?
You should really think about this, because eternity is a long time and He's warned us many times.
ED _________________ Have you ever thought about God and eternity? What will you say when you stand before our Creator after you die?
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Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 8:07 pm Post subject: Re: Why be afraid?
Ed. So... your reasoning is that a building exists, and it was built by man. Man, being trillions of times more complex than a building, therefore was built by a higher intelligence. My question to you then, is who built god, himself obviously a trillion times more complex than all of observable nature? _________________ You gotta be tough, if you're gonna be stupid - Unknown
Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 8:18 pm Post subject: Re: Why be afraid?
EndDays wrote:
What requires more Faith?
Walk to your window and look at the nearest building and say it was not built.
Or..
Walk to a mirror and look at yourself, who is trillions of times more complex and intricate than any building, and then say to yourself you were not created.
God was right about those who deny Him.
“The fool says in his heart, ‘There is no God.’” (Psalm 14:1).
Come on, be honest. Do you really believe God doesn't exist, or are you just trying to avoid accountabilty for your sins?
You should really think about this, because eternity is a long time and He's warned us many times.
ED
I knew before you posted this that you would say that the proof that god exists is because we are here. This is what lots of you believers have to say.
Apparently you never heard of "begging the question" in logic. When you beg the question, you use the question to answer the question. You say that god exists and the proof is that we are here. You fail to recognize the illogic of that. The question is how did we get here. Anyone could give a thousand explanations and then say the proof of their hyphotesis is that we are here. We were created by tiny worms that inhabit the vacuum of space and the proof is that we are here; clearly they exist, otherwise we would not be here. Substitute god for the tiny worms and that is you argument.
You have your belief system, and at least you should be honest and say that it is not based on logic, buy you choose to believe it anyway. Also recognize that you are living outside of sanity, you are happy doing so, and please stop using the force of government to impose your lack of sanity on the general population.
As for sin, I have my morals based on reason, and frankly, I think much of what you consider sin, I consider fun.
Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 8:21 pm Post subject: Re: Why be afraid?
USA/World break GOD's laws-Iran/Peak Oil as punishment
God's law-Ten commandments-are the condition of salvation/damnation and blessings/cursings
Jesus Christ can forgive your sin ONLY IF you repent your sin and RE=KEEP ten commandments.
MOST of today christians wont be saved since they think they repented but they really havent;they broke GOD's laws and still breaking them!
Look at USA's sin;sunday working/shopping, divorce,lust, stealing, sex outside marriage, greed,cursing,drinking/smoking.
Actually,CHRISTIANS in USA are the ones who broke GOD's law the most and they are doing this under the name of "salvation by grace,not by law," and "Jesus paid our sins"
So there are MORE divorces amongst Christians, more greed and drinking amonst church=goers, more sunday working/shopping by christians because for them, laws were abolished, and Jesus paid for their sins WITHOUT they re-keeping broken commadments.
If you want to repent and be saved, make sure you keep ten commandments and make it right and make restitutions.
Things are turning from bad to worse because christians are sinning more and breaking ten commandments more
Peak Oil/Iran are the just the beginning of GOD's punishment
Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 8:32 pm Post subject: Re: Why be afraid?
EarthAbides wrote:
Ed. So... your reasoning is that a building exists, and it was built by man. Man, being trillions of times more complex than a building, therefore was built by a higher intelligence. My question to you then, is who built god, himself obviously a trillion times more complex than all of observable nature?
God is uncaused and uncreated - He simply exists.
How do we know this? Well, we know that from nothing, nothing comes. So if there was ever a time when there was absolutely nothing in existence then nothing would have ever come to exist. But things do exist. Therefore, since there could never have been absolutely nothing, something had to have always been existing. That ever-existing thing is what we call God.
Besides, He's already answered that for you.
""But," said Moses to God, "when I go to the Israelites and say to them, 'The God of your fathers has sent me to you,' if they ask me, 'What is his name?' what am I to tell them?" God replied, "I am who am." Then he added, "This is what you shall tell the Israelites: I AM sent me to you."" (Exodus 3:13-14)
"I AM." - just think about that name.
ED _________________ Have you ever thought about God and eternity? What will you say when you stand before our Creator after you die?
Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 8:57 pm Post subject: Re: Why be afraid?
The discussion regarding god has been around for quite sometime.
Is there a god? Is there no god? Belief in god can be a vehicle to
"spiritul" and "mystical" places, but the difference between "god"
and "no god" is not at all important. If you jump off a tall building,
neither one of them will save you. Get it?
Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 9:15 pm Post subject: Re: Why be afraid?
gego wrote:
Just what we need, a believer.
...The really sad thing, is that the rural idiot population who heavily believe in the god fantacy will more likely survive than the more scientific urban population. I just can't wait for the future witch hunts, post peak oil; what an ironic end to civilization.
Excuse me? Scientific urban population? That's a joke, isn't it?
I am going rural. (Buying 17 acres on the Sunshine Coast at the moment). I hold 3 degrees and my new neighbours are all well educated and open minded.
Or could it be that Australia is more secular than the sacred USA?
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Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 9:37 pm Post subject: Re: Why be afraid?
EndDays wrote:
“The fool says in his heart, ‘There is no God.’” (Psalm 14:1).
ED
You can torture and twist the Bible to claim it says whatever you like. Even the athiest may say that the Bible says "There is no God" and that person would be correct. Then you have the ala carte, buffet style Christian who picks and chooses which scriptures to use and feels free to pluck from the Old Testament except when it is inconvenient, then it is "before the Cross".
Unlike most Christians, I would suspect, I have read all of the Bible and understand it. I have even studied some of the New Testament in the original Greek.
If you took the words and actions of Jesus, you would have a decent basis for a religion. Unfortunately, for Christianity, most of the major aspects of it are mirrored by so-called "pagan" religions which predate it by hundreds and thousands of years.
Christians would do much better to evangelize their faith as their Bible instructs rather than attempting to legislate and impose their faith upon others. We all know how well that worked in Europe and this country hundreds of years ago. The Python boys may say, "Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition", but if the Christian Talliban gained control in this country that is exactly what I would expect.
So if worshipping your god, whichever god that may be, or no god at all, and it makes your life better and you are happy with it, then more power to you. God or no god, if people would simply be tolerant of others' choices that do not hurt anybody, treat others as they would want to be treated, and be good stewards of the earth, then this world would certainly be much better off than it is now. You don't need a lot of theology for that.
Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 9:37 pm Post subject: Re: Why be afraid?
EndDays wrote:
...So if there was ever a time when there was absolutely nothing in existence ...
Well there is a little hick up in your argument. Time is a characteristic of our universe. Without our universe time is not existent. There was no time when absolutely nothing was in existence.
But who cares about such little facts. The bible is not very accurate anyway. I think the god of the bible is a very bad mathematician. He did not even get PI right even he should know better because he made PI.
[quote ="1 Kings 7:23"]
And [Solomon] made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about.[/quote]
Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 9:44 pm Post subject: Re: Why be afraid?
elocs wrote:
... So if worshipping your god, whichever god that may be, or no god at all, and it makes your life better and you are happy with it, then more power to you. God or no god, if people would simply be tolerant of others' choices that do not hurt anybody, treat others as they would want to be treated, and be good stewards of the earth, then this world would certainly be much better off than it is now. You don't need a lot of theology for that.
I agree. But there is one little thing I don't like: Religion does not promote to think for yourself. You have to belief what others before you thought. Usually it is a sin - punished by whatever - to question the teachings or the believe system.
On the other hand, that makes it much simpler to gain control over a lot of people ...
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Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 9:52 pm Post subject: Re: Why be afraid?
jsb1969 wrote:
The discussion regarding god has been around for quite sometime.
Is there a god? Is there no god? Belief in god can be a vehicle to
"spiritul" and "mystical" places, but the difference between "god"
and "no god" is not at all important. If you jump off a tall building,
neither one of them will save you. Get it?
This is the bit that fascinates me: there are people who live through a tornado when it goes around their house and you hear them cry, "Praise God, praise Jesus, He saved us." But then next door you have the family with the little children who were all killed. Evidently they were either not worthy to be spared or it is the blanket explanation that it is a "mystery" and that only God understands it.
Or you have the 5 year old girl who is raped, tortured and murdered by a pedophile. God "allowed" it to happen and it is a "mystery" or God knew something worse was going to happen to her so He allowed her to die this way. What exactly might be worse?
I mean, God has the perfect setup because everything good is from God and if it is not good, then it is not from God. The perfect "heads I win, tails you lose" scenerio.
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