| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
common_sense
Coal
Joined: Apr 18, 2006
Posts: 2
|
 Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 1:38 pm Post subject: Insane |
  |
|
Oil is not going to run out.
Simple fact is that we've done mostly land drilling, with some offshore drilling.
Even in this insane scenario we completely run out in twenty years, there is still the fact we can drill in the oceans.
Oh, right, you forgot about the oceans.
Further, you fail to take into account that in the next ten years we'll have viable alternative fuel sources.
Jesus Christ. I'm tired of this paranoid, end of the world crap. You folks are almost as bad as the nuclear war people.
---
"I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears and sweat." ~ Sir Winston Spencer Churchhill |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Motel
Coal
Joined: Oct 25, 2005
Posts: 14
Location: Alberta
|
| Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 1:46 pm Post subject: Re: Insane |
|
|
| common_sense wrote: | Oil is not going to run out.
|
Phew.
Now that you've posted with this deep analogy everyone can breathe easy. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
lutherquick
Intermediate Crude
![]()
Joined: Feb 04, 2005
Posts: 541
Location: NJ
|
| Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 1:48 pm Post subject: Re: Insane |
|
|
Peak oil isn't about running out, it's about no growth of oil production... and later the contraction of output... peak is more about the end of growth...
True there will be alternatives, but nothing stores energy like oil, and does not need advanced tech to use it (compared to fusion)...
They say in 1 minute there is enough solar energy hitting the earth to power all man kinbd of 1 year...
I say nice, but what kind of infrustructure will you need to capture it...
Anyway, Peak Oil should be compared to a car tachometer, for the last 25 years we aproched the red line, then the last 10 years we are in the red line... point is, you can do it for a short time, after awhile you must back out of the red line or the system collpases...
Well, that's peak oil, we took too much out, over the edge for too long... now we need to back off or kill the fields...
There will be oil 150 years from now, but it will be a trickle... And I don't have faith the man will find a way before the panic... We will survive but as usual, a dollar too later and a dollar short...
Fusion, solar, wind, wave tech will all happen, but after some wars and some more stupid moves by more delusional presidents like Bush backed by the idiots who think oil will flow at a high rate forever... |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
smiffy
Tar Sands
Joined: Aug 17, 2005
Posts: 75
Location: Malta
|
| Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 1:53 pm Post subject: Re: Insane |
|
|
sometimes its just a case of connecting all the dots.
You obviously cannot connect them?
senarios: 1. very little spare capacity
senarios: 2. Iran
senarios: 3. bad hurricane season gulf of mexico 2006
senarios: 4. Terror attack on oil facility in kuwait or saudia
senarios: 5. continued tensions in nigeria
senarios: 6. more attacks on Iraqi oil facilitys.
senarios: 7. massive tactical strike by Israeli air force on Iran (they will take us all with them, Israelis always told me whilst in Israel, they said: if we go, your coming with us!!!)
senarios:8. Run on US dollar (all hell breaks loose).
keep dreaming buddy, your Fark like the rest of us. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
jdumars
Heavy Crude
Joined: Apr 02, 2005
Posts: 439
Location: Nashville, TN
|
| Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 1:53 pm Post subject: Re: Insane |
|
|
Please don't feed the trolls.
 |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
KrellEnergySource
Tar Sands
Joined: Oct 31, 2005
Posts: 90
|
| Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 1:56 pm Post subject: Re: Insane |
|
|
Was this sarcasm or your real thoughts?
The US land based oil IS used up, for all practical purposes. Would we be drilling even offshore if oil was plentiful on-shore?
If oil isn't going to run out because there's oil under the ocean, then surely you recognize that there would come a day when such oil would be used up...same as the land and then offshore oil? And how much would that ocean oil cost, assuming we have the ability to engineer and deploy whatever infrastructure would be needed to tap into that deep water oil?
Or are you saying that the average middle aged person has nothing to worry about? What about our young children and those yet to be born from our young children?
These past two years, we have gone from where the energy bills for homeowners have grown from painful to unmanageable. Many people are spending money on their gasoline and energy bills that used to be used for 'discretionary' spending that supports entire sectors of our economy, such as tourism and home improvement for 'fashion's' sake.
Brian |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Karl
Tar Sands
Joined: Apr 04, 2005
Posts: 58
Location: UK
|
| Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 2:17 pm Post subject: Re: Insane |
|
|
It takes more than religious faith to believe that things are going to continue as they are.
Having displayed that faith perhaps the Apostle Paul's words are appropriate 'Eat drink and be merry for tomorrow we die' |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
lateStarter
Intermediate Crude
Joined: Apr 06, 2005
Posts: 999
Location: 38 km west of Warsaw, Poland
|
| Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 2:21 pm Post subject: Re: Insane |
|
|
| Do you know what is really insane? Oil crosses over 70 and the DOW is up around 200. The human race never ceases to amaze me. I hope that I manage to hold on for a few more years... The show should be (what is the word I'm looking for - astounding and yet extremely sad at the same time)... Hmm? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
clueless
Light Sweet Crude
Joined: Sep 13, 2005
Posts: 1250
Location: Just the right place
|
| Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 2:32 pm Post subject: Re: Insane |
|
|
Come on - I am supposed to be the clueless one !
A simple minded person should easily be able to figure this out. What separates the "American Consumer" from the rest of the world is the amount of hydrocarbons he consumes. Since the "American Consumer" is intent on having third world labor makes his things and loan him money to buy these things, the third world laborer will have US dollars to buy more things the "American Consumer" is intent on selling his lifestyle for. So, in effect, the "American Consumer" is digging his own grave, and we all get to sit back and watch it happen.
In short, in the near term anyway, the end is probably not at hand. What is at hand is the end of the "American Consumers" way of life. In the long term, unless they can figure out how to run tractor trailers and farm machinery on seawater, the world is in for some serious problems.
Keep a good eye on the Airlines and Automakers - That is the direction the "American Consumer" is heading... |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
lateStarter
Intermediate Crude
Joined: Apr 06, 2005
Posts: 999
Location: 38 km west of Warsaw, Poland
|
| Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 2:35 pm Post subject: Re: Insane |
|
|
| Karl wrote: | It takes more than religious faith to believe that things are going to continue as they are.
Having displayed that faith perhaps the Apostle Paul's words are appropriate 'Eat drink and be merry for tomorrow we die' |
Sorry, but those are not the words of Paul. He was 'quoting' a prevalent attitude at the time (maybe Epicureans). In other words, forget about anykind of afterlife - just do it (Nike)! |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
clueless
Light Sweet Crude
Joined: Sep 13, 2005
Posts: 1250
Location: Just the right place
|
| Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 2:38 pm Post subject: Re: Insane |
|
|
| lateStarter wrote: | | Do you know what is really insane? Oil crosses over 70 and the DOW is up around 200. The human race never ceases to amaze me. I hope that I manage to hold on for a few more years... The show should be (what is the word I'm looking for - astounding and yet extremely sad at the same time)... Hmm? |
It is not insane if you control the government printing press, how much cash do you think the US government has stashed in offshore accounts to shore up the stock market ? We are in the midst of a Hitler like propoganda war which purpose is to create the biggest transfer of wealth in the history of the world. Bushy can't sell his war with Iran/Iraq if the "American Consumer" is losing all his money in the stock market can he ? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
pstarr
Expert
Joined: Sep 27, 2004
Posts: 7089
Location: Behind the Redwood Curtain
|
| Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 2:38 pm Post subject: Re: Insane |
|
|
| common_sense wrote: | Oil is not going to run out.
Simple fact is that we've done mostly land drilling, with some offshore drilling.
Even in this insane scenario we completely run out in twenty years, there is still the fact we can drill in the oceans.
Oh, right, you forgot about the oceans. |
The last great oil region (the North Sea between England and Norway) was discovered in 1970. It is in decline, it has peaked.
| common_sense wrote: | | Further, you fail to take into account that in the next ten years we'll have viable alternative fuel sources. |
We've had some viable alternatives (coal to liquid) for 50 years and newer ones like solar and wind for 10 years. But we did not bother to implement them. A Department of Energy study (google 'The Hirsch Report') shows that it would take 20 years to effectively mitigate for petroleum decline. We have not even started.
| common_sense wrote: | | Jesus Christ. I'm tired of this paranoid, end of the world crap. You folks are almost as bad as the nuclear war people. |
Jesus Christ is not going to save you and I am sorry you are tired. Have you considered yoga? 
_________________
 ree rah rip ram. sunofabitch godamn. hidey didey christ almighty. rah rah crap  |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Pops
Moderator
Joined: Apr 03, 2004
Posts: 6547
Location: My Grandkids' Farm
|
| Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 2:39 pm Post subject: Re: Insane |
|
|
<Pops slaps forehead>
Cripes! The oceans! Forgot all about those!
| common_sense wrote: | | You folks are almost as bad as the nuclear war people. |
Yea all that bs about total war!
Hell, any thinking person knows that the best answer global warming is nucalr winter - Rush'll tel you that!
what a bunch of tree hugging babies.
_________________
Make a plan and work it: |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
skeptic
Heavy Crude
Joined: Dec 20, 2005
Posts: 174
Location: Costa Geriatrica
|
| Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 2:43 pm Post subject: Re: Insane |
|
|
"Oil is not going to run out."
Therefore there must be an infinite supply of it. Sounds reasonable. Not.
"Oh, right, you forgot about the oceans."
Er, No. Theres no point in drilling into the ocean unless one is drilling into a sedimentary basin of the correct age. Do you understand anything about oil formation? Plate tectonics? Seafloor spreading? There isnt a lot of the ocean thats WORTH drilling into. Its not as if oilfields are evenly distributed in the surface of the earth like blueberries in a muffin, just waiting to be discovered. They arent. The distribution is highly uneven and restricted to highly specific circumstances. We know what those are.
"Further, you fail to take into account that in the next ten years we'll have viable alternative fuel sources."
We know what they are and approximately how quickly they can be ramped up. Are you suggesting that other energy sources that we dont yet know about will magically appear?
"Jesus Christ. I'm tired of this paranoid, end of the world crap. You folks are almost as bad as the nuclear war people."
Your reactions to other peoples opinions are your problem. Learn to relax a little... letting yourself get wound up like this is bad for your health. I suggest you consult a psychiatrist about what is obviously a problem for you.
---
"I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears and sweat." ~ Sir Winston Spencer Churchhill
" There is No Sanity Clause"
Chico Marx
Hmm.. I cant decide whether you are genuinely ignorant or a troll. I expect subsequent posts will tell. Welcome to the pleasuredome. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
dissimulo
Heavy Crude
Joined: Jun 01, 2005
Posts: 372
|
| Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 2:45 pm Post subject: Re: Insane |
|
|
| Step 1 is denial. Feeling angry yet? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
News
Discussions
Resources
Members
Forum FAQ
Search
Usergroups
Profile
Log in to check your private messages
Log in
