Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
Posted: Fri May 28, 2004 5:30 pm Post subject: Please help, I'm losing hope.
Okay, that's a slight exaggeration, but only slight. Ever since reading The Party's Over and reading through this forum, the nagging thought that humanity is doomed keeps creeping into my mind. I'm reaching out to the peak oil community for some strength and guidance for how to deal with this creeping depression. btw, I am already doing a small part to promote renewable (wind) energy but I'm wondering, given the realities of the world, will anyone with a lot of power take this issue seriously and do something about it? How can I maintain my hope and keep on fighting?
Joined: Apr 03, 2004 Posts: 7002 Location: My Grandkids' Farm
Posted: Fri May 28, 2004 5:49 pm Post subject:
Hi TKN.
Couple of days ago I was feeling the same; war and rumors of war and all that.
Check out my two favorite threads here, Assessments and Plans and Anyone Serious?
When I feel that cloud over my head I try to dig up ways that I and mine can learn to be more independent of the oil powered machine.
You are the one with the power to do something about it! I’m not talking turning out the lights when you leave the room; I’m talking about preparing for the future as you see it unfolding.
As Matt says: deal with the future, or the future… _________________ Make a plan and work it:
Joined: May 15, 2004 Posts: 253 Location: Southeast USA
Posted: Fri May 28, 2004 5:55 pm Post subject: well
In my opinion, giving up hope is giving up to the problem. It seems to be the consensus here that really only individual actions matter. Like Pops said, work as much as you can to be oil independent. While I'm having trouble with it(due to my situation) I'm slowly getting there. Besides, what good does depression do for someone anyway? How many problems are solved by being depressed or angry? _________________ In the long run, men hit only what they aim at. Therefore, though they should fail immediately, they had better aim at something high.-Thoreau
Peak Oil
I offer this only because there are several people in my life combating trauma successfully with it and I am familiar with its efficacy. _________________ --------------------------------
| Whose reality is this anyway!? |
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You are quite correct to feel fear. We all have much to fear, in our lives and as a people. But remember that fear is just a feeling... a feeling cannot hurt or kill you. Despite our fears, the realities remain.
As Pops points out, (in numerous posts lol), the tangibles are what counts. I have the distinct feeling that the universe cares little for my feelings on a given subject. Events seem to march along oblivious to my personal concerns, form follows function, and the worm turns.
Healthy fear requires no justification... that's what makes it healthy. Another way to see fear is as respect. The fear many of us experience is entirely credible and even useful. It is at once our greatest asset and our biggest weakness. Fear is our sense of anticipation, manifest as emotion. Anticipation is what separates us from every other species on earth. Not that other animals don't anticipate, when obviously they do, rather that we anticipate and imagine unlike any intelligence we know. Thus the fear, but also the marvel. Can't have one without the other...
Our imagination brings us wonders and horrors, the dreams and nightmares of aspiration. But these are different sides of a single coin, and that coin is the currency of human excellence. Without our fears, we lose the very thing which brought us this far. So perhaps we should embrace our fears for what they are; the greatest power known to us... the power to imagine.
Pay attention to your fear, it serves you well. Just make sure, when it comes to fear, that you understand, who is serving, and who is leading. _________________ "When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." - Stephen F Roberts.
Joined: May 23, 2004 Posts: 276 Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posted: Fri May 28, 2004 7:45 pm Post subject: Re: help me! I'm losing hope!
tkn317071 wrote:
the nagging thought that humanity is doomed keeps creeping into my mind. I'm reaching out to the peak oil community for some strength and guidance for how to deal with this creeping depression.
I was in this position 1½ years ago. Persistent depression is not healthy. See your GP, and s/he may consider prescribing medication and/or proper counselling. Both can really help keep you focused (well, they can so long as the pharmaceutical industry remains, at which point you should be feeling highly vindicated and empowered and could probably make do without them)
Just don't let them prescribe a Tricyclic - those things take weeks to work, weeks to get off, and make you sick when you try to get off them.
tkn317071 wrote:
How can I maintain my hope and keep on fighting?
It's very difficult. Don't be afraid to ask for professional help, because sooner or later you will need more than can be offered by an open forum. _________________ The purpose of human life revolves around an endless need to extract ever increasing amounts of carbon out of the ground and then release it into the atmosphere.
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Posted: Fri May 28, 2004 8:10 pm Post subject: he he
Not enough I'm guessing... _________________ "When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." - Stephen F Roberts.
Joined: May 23, 2004 Posts: 276 Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posted: Fri May 28, 2004 8:32 pm Post subject:
Pops wrote:
And MrPC, your profession is?
None of your business
Pops wrote:
Or should I ask; your dosage is?
None of your business _________________ The purpose of human life revolves around an endless need to extract ever increasing amounts of carbon out of the ground and then release it into the atmosphere.
Joined: Apr 17, 2004 Posts: 984 Location: Tulsa, Ok
Posted: Fri May 28, 2004 9:42 pm Post subject: LOL
LOL
Pops my dosage is not enough. I want to feel really good!
tkn317071, do you get depressed because you could die in a car wreck tomorrow? Because you could have a heart attack tomorrow or in an hour? Because you could get fired?
I do not believe the world will die off! I believe it will change! It maybe that the change will be good or bad and that could depend on ones view of what occurs.
If you are prepared then you increase the odds you will have a better life in the end. That your kids could be happy as could possibly be in the end. This does not have to be the end of the world but could be a new beginning!
Joined: Apr 10, 2004 Posts: 143 Location: Tulsa OK
Posted: Fri May 28, 2004 11:59 pm Post subject:
I can understand fully what you are feeling. Try to make everyday memorable in some way. Try to look up at the sky everyday and enjoy a cloud, or notice the wind blowing. If you waste today worrying about tomorrow, it won’t keep tomorrow from arriving with whatever it may bring. The only thing we know for sure about life is that no one gets out alive. Everyone on the earth is “doomed” to die, not 90 % or 80% but 100%. Of course we don’t know when or how. So in that way nothing has really changed.
Don’t let the perfect defeat the good. Maybe in a “perfect” world there would be no problems but you and I will probably never see that world. There is some good in everyday, look for it. I am going to take my own advice. And for good measure I’ll throw these in:
Never take council of your fears.
No step for a stepper. (My late fathers favorite)
Keep a stiff upper lip.
If you can’t join’em, piss on ‘em.
Keep smiling.
Keep on Keepin on.
And that all time favorite:
Keep on truckin.
Joined: May 21, 2004 Posts: 198 Location: East Coast USA
Posted: Sat May 29, 2004 9:02 am Post subject:
I have had problems with this as well. I have a tendency to fixate on negative thoughts, and reading about Peak Oil has given me plenty of ammunition to indulge this trait.
This is really a great thing to discuss. It helps to know that there are others out there who are experiencing the same thing and that there are ways to cope.
I am sitting here at my computer and I just realized that it's Saturday and it is a beautiful day outside. I think I am going to put everything out of my mind, go outside, and try to live in the present for a little while and enjoy the good things that I have right now. _________________ www.searchingforthetruth.com
The truth that is suppressed by friends is the readiest weapon of the enemy.
- Robert Louis Stevenson
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