How then, do we move backwards? How does a society, with most of the people having no clue of future events, move from being dependent on a vast and intertwined network of goods and services produced by the indigenous people of whereever, to a local resource and renewable energy based society, and do so in the timeframe available (20-30 years using the most liberal extimates, 10-20 with resonable estimates, 5-10 with worst case scenarios), all the while prices on everything increasing, world politics getting more militaristic, governments continuously reducing civil liberties, shortages of goods on the market and weather patterns resembling bad Hollywood movies?
Joined: Nov 17, 2004 Posts: 215 Location: Atlanta - GA - USA
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 1:58 pm Post subject: Re: 2008 U.S. national election: Will we blow it again?
I gotta say i like Russ Fiengold (said no NAFTA/GATT, though i dont know where he stands on energy related issues) and far behind him Joe Biden (almost fanatical supporter of passenger rail...maybe a good veep)
We'll see what happens tho. I saw Russ on PBS today and from what i was hearing it sounded like he wasnt too keen on butting heads with Clinton in the primaries...
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:11 pm Post subject: Re: 2008 U.S. national election: Will we blow it again?
...speaking of e-voting machines, this book should be interesting...(to be released Sept 2006)
Book Description
In 2003, Aviel Rubin touched off a national debate when he revealed that security glitches in the Diebold electronic voting machines could make it easier for election results to be compromised. Rubin himself became the center of the uproar: Diebold initiated a campaign to ruin his career; election officials in localities that had invested in the system dismissed his findings; and the media, misinterpreting his objections to specific weaknesses, cast him as a Luddite.
In Brave New Ballot, Rubin tells the story of his role as a whistle-blower (including the toll it took on his career and family) and recounts his observations as an election judge in Baltimore County, which gave him a full picture of electronic voting in action. Addressing both technical and legal problems, he shows how easy it is to rig an election. He describes the vulnerability of computerized systems to tampering, not only by insiders like poll workers but also by outsiders able to breach the system without detection.
The election process for millions of voters is being transformed as electronic voting machines replace older mechanical systems throughout the country and Internet voting becomes a reality. Brave New Ballotis the first book to describe the systemic imperfections that may have affected past elections and to spell out what must be done to assure fair elections in the future.
About the Author
AVIEL RUBIN, Ph.D., is a professor of computer science and technical director of the information security institute at Johns Hopkins University. He is an election judge in Baltimore County and the director of ACCURATE, A Center for Correct, Usable, Reliable, Auditable, and Transparent Elections, funded by the National Science Foundation. His work has been covered by 60 Minutes, CNN, and NPR, and by The New York Times, The Washington Post, Newsweek, and other publications. He lives in Owings Mills, Maryland.
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:20 pm Post subject: Re: 2008 U.S. national election: Will we blow it again?
I very much doubt that anyone other than a democrat or a republican will be elected in 2008. And I think either of those 2 options means we've blown it.
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:27 pm Post subject: Re: 2008 U.S. national election: Will we blow it again?
I'll continue to vote on the R box, thanks. _________________ "Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the
Abyss, the Abyss gazes also into you."
Ammo at a gunfight is like bubblegum in grade school: If you havent brought enough for everyone, you're in trouble
Joined: May 14, 2005 Posts: 2125 Location: Along the banks of the muddy Mississippi
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:40 pm Post subject: Re: 2008 U.S. national election: Will we blow it again?
Vote in a Democratic congress in 2006 and impeach Bush/Cheney or, as Titan suggests, there will most likely be no 2008 elections. _________________ “Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves.” (Ted Perry)
The only person in major media to treat these complaints seriously and at any length was Keith Olbermann at MSNBC who ran two stories on it, citing Cuyahoga County’s surplus 93,000 votes over the registered voter count, and the peculiar victories for Bush in Florida counties that were overwhelmingly Democratic scattered across the state.30 For his trouble, media conservatives attacked him for being a “voice of paranoia” and spreading “idiotic conspiracy theories.”
While Americans have been busy bickering about left and right their country has turned into a dictatorship. Loo thinks civil disobedience will be required to stop the slide
Joined: Dec 02, 2005 Posts: 6274 Location: Oil-addicted Southern Californucopia
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 5:12 pm Post subject: Re: 2008 U.S. national election: Will we blow it again?
TheTurtle wrote:
...there will most likely be no 2008 elections.
You've got it backwards. By late next year the approval rating polls of Our President will be in the teens, at best. Don't be shocked if they hit single digits. This poor doofus is being exposed for what he is a little more every day. As he crawls through the last couple of years of his catastrophic term, he'll be re-defining the meaning of the expression "lame duck".
Stay in power? Yeah, right.
Get a grip, people. The Republicans are already starting the process of shedding him. By the middle of next year he'll be so toxic to them they'll be trumping up charges to impeach him on, just to make sure they get his sorry ass.
You actually think the military will unite behind this jerk? You think there wouldn't be units rolling into D.C. to drag him out of the White House the same day if he pulled something like that? Oh, please. He and Cheney have to know they'd get their butts arrested within hours of trying something. So much as a squeak out of them and they'll be in solitary confinement in a flash, crying for lawyers.
Forget it. He'll be long gone in January of 2009, and maybe a lot sooner than that.
Joined: May 14, 2005 Posts: 2125 Location: Along the banks of the muddy Mississippi
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 7:16 pm Post subject: Re: 2008 U.S. national election: Will we blow it again?
Zardoz wrote:
TheTurtle wrote:
...there will most likely be no 2008 elections.
You've got it backwards.
Are you picking on me this evening, Zardoz?
Zardoz wrote:
Forget it. He'll be long gone in January of 2009, and maybe a lot sooner than that.
That works for me too. _________________ “Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves.” (Ted Perry)
Joined: May 25, 2005 Posts: 488 Location: New Northwest Union
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 8:04 pm Post subject: Re: 2008 U.S. national election: Will we blow it again?
Zardoz wrote:
TheTurtle wrote:
...there will most likely be no 2008 elections.
You actually think the military will unite behind this jerk? You think there wouldn't be units rolling into D.C. to drag him out of the White House the same day if he pulled something like that? Oh, please. He and Cheney have to know they'd get their butts arrested within hours of trying something. So much as a squeak out of them and they'll be in solitary confinement in a flash, crying for lawyers.
Forget it. He'll be long gone in January of 2009, and maybe a lot sooner than that.
Laws have been created that enable the president to declare a state of emergency for any reason he sees fit; there doesn't have to be any verifiable reason.
He can do this legally, thanks in part, to the Patriot Act. _________________ “You can fool some of the people all the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on.” George W. Bush
Joined: Aug 19, 2004 Posts: 1653 Location: Republic of Texas
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 8:54 pm Post subject: Re: 2008 U.S. national election: Will we blow it again?
Zardoz wrote:
How about it all you doomsters, Greens, geologists, poly sci majors, visionaries, cornucopians, militarists, conspiracy theorists, and survivalists? How is this going to play out?
Being that the people you describe do not vote because they know US elections are a fraud, the question is really irrelevant.
They will have no effect at all.
Since I do vote, I hope they don't. _________________ Conform . Consume . Obey .
Joined: Aug 13, 2005 Posts: 603 Location: BlueRidgeVA
Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 12:46 am Post subject: Re: 2008 U.S. national election: Will we blow it again?
Zardoz wrote:
How about it all you doomsters, Greens, geologists, poly sci majors, visionaries, cornucopians, militarists, conspiracy theorists, and survivalists? How is this going to play out?
Has the distinct possibility of another terror hit on the US mainland been totally discounted?
It would only take a half-dozen terrs with suicide belts at a few crowded US shopping malls to send the fear and paranoia of the electorate soaring...and to give the Repugs a free hand with the nukes. It boggles the mind to think what would happen here with another 9/11 level attack.
Would Hillary go for a pre-emptive strike with nukes?????????
Concentrating on the 2006 elections to take away Repug control of Congress might be the best idea. If Dems could regain control of one or more houses of Congress, the Bush regime might be hobbled in their headlong charge toward armageddon.
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