THE US Elections Thread (merged)

0mar

Pulling the lever for a democrat and pulling the lever for a republican ends up the same way.

A fat crony in office dishing out deals and pardons to his buddies and more importantly, he's farking you over.
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2006 is in some ways more critical.

If we get competition in the form of a Democratic party majority in either the House or the Senate, then the investigations will come and this militarily incompetent, fiscally imprudent, Constitution-disrespecting, civil liberties trampling atrocity of an administration that pretends at conservatism but practices cronyism and despotism will be served notice that they are going to get checked and balanced and held to account.

If not, then the Regime will take it as a green light. And you ain't seen nothing yet.

Specop, voting R may keep you off some of the watch lists, but you're already on others. Don't be so sure the Regime won't trade off our 2nd Amendment rights on a technicality once it has the chance. The Second protects the First and all the rest, and the Regime knows this well. They've already trampled the Fourth (illegal surveillance, and now it comes out, warrantless searches & seizures) and the Fifth, so it's only a matter of time. "Gotta keep firearms out of the hands of terrorists, you understand...", or better yet do it indirectly via national ID cards or some other measure that has the same effect but has plausible deniability. (It's like smoking: if they outlaw smoking indoors, and then they outlaw smoking outdoors, they've outlawed smoking altogether without having the ballz to say so.)

Republicans and fellow conservatives of all stripes, think of it this way: it's not about voting for a Democrat here or there, it's about voting for *checks and balances,* vs. a *one-party state.*

As for "newsworthy events" leading up to the election, all it will take is another video tape from Bin Laden at the right time. He's a smart little bastard, he *wants* an incompetent regime in power, and he knows how to play us for all we're worth. He doesn't have to actually blow up anything, all he has to do is fart in the breeze and the Regime will whip up the fear for its own benefit, which is also to his benefit. Anyone who votes for the present pack of incompetents or their heirs, their apologists, or their minions, is giving Bin Laden exactly what he wants.

(By the way, if you don't know the etymological meaning of "minions," go look it up, it's not only amusing, it fits, as in Gannon/Guckert.)

We need some real warriors in the white house, not a bunch of deserters and deferrers.

Wesley Clark or Colin Powell; I'd vote for either of them in a flat second.

cynthia · Heavy Crude Joined: May 29, 2005 Posts: 344

When I was 18 (I turn 48 this Friday Shock

) I registered "Independent."
Eight years ago, I aligned myself with, " The Green Party." I voted "Green" in 2000 and I was blamed for Bush being "elected." Mad

I Voted for Kerry in 2004 believing I was doing the right thing and damn if that Democrat didn't just bend over and Embarassed

...well you know the story.
In 2008-if we actually have a national election-I will not likely participate unless a miracle candidate shows his or her face with Jimmy Carter Very Happy

assuring us that all votes will be counted and all fraud has been purged from the system.
Yeah, like when gasoline is $.99 a gallon! Laughing

"Will we blow it again?"
Huh? I vote for the candidates who claim they will do the right thing for the highest good for all concerned.
I am no longer an idealistic sucker-I mean voter.
I'll participate in local elections until the dictatorship is fully activated, and thereafter, my mail-in ballot goes into the recycling. Shock

cynthia

0mar

RonMN

Unfortunately, I currently don't see a candidate from either side that I would vote for Sad

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PhebaAndThePilgrim

Good day:
I am a Democrat. When my hubby joined a Democratic group here in mid-mo, I went along with him.
I have listened to Democratic wanna-be's and hopefuls give speeches, and they are totally clueless, grinning idiots.
I recently attended the yearly county wide Democratic chili supper. The beans in the chili had more brains than the politicians.
For instance, Roger Wilson, a Democratic representative who lost last election, gave the opening speech, and the first thing he said was that the Republicans were to blame for the fact that Exxon made a record 47 billion dollars last year.
He said that we needed to take our country back.
Take it back from whom?
Our Democratic group meets every Saturday at a local downtown restaurant. The group works real hard to get local Democrats elected. They are a wonderful group of people. I fell in love with them when they actually came to my house and watched "End of Suburbia".
After listening to the brainless bantering of the Democratic politicians I have decided that it just doesn't make any difference.
So now, I just go to the Saturday meetings to be around friends, and eat the wonderful muffins the restaurant makes.
Actually, I only see one possible difference between Democrat and Republican at this point. Basically, I feel a Democrat would possibly steer the government away from the horrifying trend toward being a theocracy.
The movement of the religious right within our present administration is terrifying.
Personally, I don't think there exists a Democratic presidental candidate with the backbone or intelligence to get us out of the mess in Iraq.
The military industrial complex (MIC) has gained a stranglehold on Both houses, and they are enjoying too much profit and power to surrender.
The MIC is also intelligent enough to understand the importance of maintaing the support of the religious right. Scares me, really scares me.
There has been talk, quiet talk, within the present administration, of suspending the 22nd amendment to the constitution of the U.S.
Folks, if that happens, it's all over.
Pheba

H.J. Res 24, 2-17-2005

Specop_007 · Expert Joined: Aug 12, 2004 Posts: 6073

For the most part I agree with Pheba. The Democrats just cant get a grasp on reality. They need to reestablish their voter base. They lost alot of votes due to a few issues that ultimately they need not even bring up. Gay rights, abortion and gun control. All of those issues are (Or should be) State issues, NOT Federal issues. If the Democrats would just leave those issues alone and get someone with a bit of piss n vinegar in them, they would win by a landslide I think.

For me though, I'll never, ever vote Democrat. Ever. You could put Stalin or Hitler up as a Republican nominee and I'd vote for them over ANY Democrat. Those bastards have taken my guns time and time again. No matter how bad the Republicans are, I will always see Democrats as even worse.
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Falconoffury · Expert Joined: May 25, 2004 Posts: 1379

I will be voting for a third party. Maybe Nader like last time, maybe the green party. All I know is that the only way anything will change in this country is if a third party takes power.
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quetzalcoatl · Coal Joined: Mar 22, 2006 Posts: 1

I agree with most everyone else that we dont stand much of a chance of getting a decent human being as the next president, however, presidential elections are times when some new voices are heard and issues are discussed in new ways. 2008 might be a chance for Peak Oil to enter wider circles of discussiopn. The next president probably isnt going to do much about it, but broader awareness will help in the preparation efforts that are begining outside the polictical system.

Given the current level of discontent with our current trajectory, I think there is a good chance that a third party canidate or a fringier canidate with the democrats (a la Kucinich) might get some people to pay attention to what he says.

As for an outright suspension of elections: I wouldnt put it past these guys, but given their current unpopularity and the distrust theyve finally managed to accrue, I dont think theyd be able to get away with it. (Maybe Im naive).

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