How then, do we move backwards? How does a society, with most of the people having no clue of future events, move from being dependent on a vast and intertwined network of goods and services produced by the indigenous people of whereever, to a local resource and renewable energy based society, and do so in the timeframe available (20-30 years using the most liberal extimates, 10-20 with resonable estimates, 5-10 with worst case scenarios), all the while prices on everything increasing, world politics getting more militaristic, governments continuously reducing civil liberties, shortages of goods on the market and weather patterns resembling bad Hollywood movies?
So much for Hillary's unhindered march to the White House. Is America ready for a President that is not of northern European extraction? Would we actually put an ordained Southern Baptist minister in the Oval Office? Will Hillary manage to pull it off in the end? Is Romney wasting his money? Will Edwards surprise us all?
Stay tuned. _________________ "Thank you for attending the oil age. We're going to scrape what we can out of these tar pits in Alberta and then shut down the machines and turn out the lights. Goodnight." - seldom_seen
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Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 3:08 am Post subject: Re: Obama, Huckabee win in Iowa
Will it make a difference where the captain of the tub is from? It's still going to head for the rocks. _________________ Bugger me, I hear oil's runnin out mate!
Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 3:59 am Post subject: Re: Obama, Huckabee win in Iowa
Amazing spread between Ob/sama & Hill. Once again it's like the media is in a parallel universe. Still don't look forward to higher FICA under Os/bama while our bosses get a free ride. _________________ People first, then things, then dollars.
There will be enslavement & cannibalism.
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Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 4:09 am Post subject: Re: Obama, Huckabee win in Iowa
Hello? A guy who has a Kenyan dad just won the Democratic Party's Iowa primary.
Are we all aware of the significance of that? _________________ "Thank you for attending the oil age. We're going to scrape what we can out of these tar pits in Alberta and then shut down the machines and turn out the lights. Goodnight." - seldom_seen
Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 4:19 am Post subject: Re: Obama, Huckabee win in Iowa
Zardoz wrote:
Hello? A guy who has a Kenyan dad just won the Democratic Party's Iowa primary.
Are we all aware of the significance of that?
It is more significant who his real daddy is: Obama & The CFR
Quote:
He has the voting record to back his criticism of the Iraq war. But like his CFR colleagues, he vows to continue the pursuit of a shadowy enemy under the vague threat of “terrorism” - a policy that has cost citizens their personal liberties, trillions in debt and untold lives. The war on terror has been crafted to spend the US into bankruptcy and setup a domestic police state.
Joined: Aug 26, 2005 Posts: 381 Location: Windy City No Longer
Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 5:53 am Post subject: Re: Obama, Huckabee win in Iowa
Remember Howard Dean? I wouldn't count on either Barack Obama or Mike Huckabee being their party's presidential candidate, let alone President of the U.S. just yet. Iowa is an odd situation, as it uses a caucus instead of a straight polling. Wait til New Hampshire. _________________ TANSTAAFL
Joined: Apr 28, 2005 Posts: 3329 Location: West shore Lake Eire, MI, USA
Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 6:07 am Post subject: Re: Obama, Huckabee win in Iowa
Zardoz wrote:
Hello? A guy who has a Kenyan dad just won the Democratic Party's Iowa primary.
Are we all aware of the significance of that?
Oh I noticed that right off the bat, the real 'black' candidate got 38% of the 97% white population of Iowa to vote for him over Hillary, the first serious woman candidate. And over the slick white southern lawyer too! _________________ Oxygen: - An intensely habit-forming accumulative toxic substance. As little
as one breath is known to produce a life-long addiction to the gas, which addiction invariably ends in death.--Isaac Asimov
Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 8:36 am Post subject: Re: Obama, Huckabee win in Iowa
One of the first comments I heard on the boob tube last night as results came in was that we had some kind of major change in the political landscape of America because Huckabee and Obama were in the lead.
WTF?
Looks the same to me -
the religious freaks versus the guy representing everyone else.
Joined: Aug 11, 2005 Posts: 637 Location: Eastern NC
Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 9:28 am Post subject: Re: Obama, Huckabee win in Iowa
Relatively predictable with a little poll watching and a bit of history. Southern governors tend to break out even with little resources. Hilleary has been going down in the polls. As one gets closer to her she seems more distasteful, great at distance, nasty up close.
the religious freaks versus the guy representing everyone else.
Somewhat of a misstatement. Since most of the people in the US claim to be religious and freaks are by definition the minority, perhaps a more accurate statement would be:
the religious guys versus the freaks.
Joined: Aug 26, 2005 Posts: 381 Location: Windy City No Longer
Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 9:42 am Post subject: Re: Obama, Huckabee win in Iowa
It should be interesting to watch how Huckabee does in New Hampshire (Jan 8 ) and Michigan (Jan 15). Although our primary in Michigan is almost hopelessly fubar-ed because the state decided to move it up so early. On the Dem side, for instance, you can't vote for Obama because he's not on the ticket. Each party took a different action to censure Michigan and all the candidates had to choose whether to abide by the party or not. _________________ TANSTAAFL
Joined: Oct 11, 2005 Posts: 407 Location: Arizona, USA
Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 10:30 am Post subject: Re: Obama, Huckabee win in Iowa
Fishman wrote:
Since most of the people in the US claim to be religious and freaks are by definition the minority, perhaps a more accurate statement would be...
I like that word "claims." Most Americans also claim to be Christian. I'm not sure how they manage to reconcile that with their superficial, materialistic, violent, intolerant, racist and vengeful culture. I found it interesting how many "Christians" in this country were demonically screaming for bloody revenge after 9/11. Isn't there some passage in Romans that says you're not supposed to do that?
"Claims." Heheh.
Joined: Sep 29, 2004 Posts: 2325 Location: Pennsylvania, USA
Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 1:02 pm Post subject: Re: Obama, Huckabee win in Iowa
I'm not very surprised that Obama beat Clinton in Iowa. Hillary just doesn't do it for me, she's too wishy washy. Any democrat that voted for the Iraq war is just a phony, wishy washy person lacking principles. Those who stand up, despite unpopularity and stand by their principles are leadership material. In my opinion, it really is that simple. Being a good leader means being able to make tough decisions and you need a backbone for that. Otherwise, you will be used like a puppet by the various puppet masters around you.
Huck a be doesn't surprize me either. It's more of the same for republicans. _________________ "That's the problem with mercy, kid... It just ain't professional" - Fast Eddie, The Color of Money
Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 2:42 pm Post subject: Re: Obama, Huckabee win in Iowa
Zardoz wrote:
Hello? A guy who has a Kenyan dad just won the Democratic Party's Iowa primary.
Are we all aware of the significance of that?
It probably means there is a generational shift going on where the whole race/gender thing is becoming less of an issue. The older folks who were stuck in their ways about not electing a black guy or a woman are finally kicking off. This is just within the demographic voterbase, of course. The fact a religio-nut like Huckabee won Iowa indicates the level of polarization in the overall demographics.
Joined: May 10, 2007 Posts: 2615 Location: The Entropisphere
Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 2:44 pm Post subject: Re: Obama, Huckabee win in Iowa
mos6507 wrote:
Zardoz wrote:
Hello? A guy who has a Kenyan dad just won the Democratic Party's Iowa primary.
Are we all aware of the significance of that?
It probably means there is a generational shift going on where the whole race/gender thing is becoming less of an issue. The older folks who were stuck in their ways about not electing a black guy or a woman are finally kicking off. This is just within the demographic voterbase, of course. The fact a religio-nut like Huckabee won Iowa indicates the level of polarization in the overall demographics.
and the people who would vote for someone just because they are a woman or black are becoming less important? _________________ "Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain."
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