UK: Would you steal food from allotments etc?

Gridlock · Heavy Crude Joined: May 05, 2006 Posts: 240

I strongly feel it will never get that bad. But then I have a vested interest in things not getting that bad, my life. Worth considering though I suppose. Personally, I have no interest in arming myself with automatic weapons. Maybe I’ll rue that decision one day, but I doubt I’d be able to pull the trigger on anything larger than the cats that keep sh*tting in my vegetable garden. Even then it would probably be a super squirter rather than an AK. I’ve got a modest stockpile of canned food and water, would rather rely on that and an enormous field opposite me that looks ripe for a community to dig up and plant veggies in the worst case scenario. Maybe this is unrealistic, but I see it as more realistic than gunning down my neighbours. The danger I feel with PO thinking is that once you begin thinking times are gonna get hard, you think things will keep getting worse. Just as our current paradigm tells us that the times are good, and will only get better.

RonMN

I would live off cattail roots, acorns, dandelions, & even beg before i stole anyting...but sure, if you're starving to death (or worse yet, one of your family is starving to death) then i could see theft as an option.

1 plan that seems to be overloked here...if somebody comes to your door for food it might be more advantagious to just give him a half slice of bread & tell him that's all you have to spare. If it's a crowd of 100 people you might get away with whispering to one "convince them i have nothing & i'll sneak you a slice of bread 1 hour from now".

Keep in mind that fighting burns calories...those calories will need to be replaced after the fight (assuming you survive). If you can give away less calories than you'd burn in a fight...it'd be a win win situation.
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rs · Heavy Crude Joined: Jun 08, 2005 Posts: 100

Assuming the looters start off in the towns and cities, it makes sense they would first loot their surroundings then move out into other areas once these have been depleted.

The UK is a small country, it doesn't take much walking to travel from one populated area to another.

I think if you were on your own, you may survive moving from one place to another. However, you'd constantly be treated with suspicion and/or aggression.

If you have a family, and especially a young one, you'd probably want to stay put. If you have land/buildings then you would need to team up with your neighbours if you want to defend it.

Having weapons is no guarantee for your safety. You still need to sleep and you can't see behind you. I would save the Rambo stuff for Hollywood.

SoothSayer

My village is some miles from the city ... easily reachable by car but not walkable.

In times of grief, I would be tempted to block roads or bridges say 2-4 miles out to ensure that any car convoys went elesewhere.

Being bypassed is going to be safer than fighting the inner city types.
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Grifter

2 plots on our allotments got vandalised on Friday night, nothing stolen just a lot of hard work trashed. Mad

It occurs to me that many people wont have the sense to know what food looks like let alone know how to cook with basic ingredients. I think the majority would need government issued soylent green or some such prepared stuff.

There is a strong community feeling at our allotments which crosses cultures. I'm sure if SHTF then we would band together and form a kind of peasant army to defend our efforts and the numbers of people trying to steal would be limited to those with sufficient intelligence / awareness.

SoothSayer

Some Cambodian smallholders ring their plots with second hand land mines ... seems reasonable to me Wink

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ekaggata · Heavy Crude Joined: Apr 12, 2006 Posts: 126

I find the lack of faith in human nature in this thread really saddening. Nothing has happened, and you are already planning how to kill and steal?

One thing I've noticed from my travels is that the poorest people are the most willing to share. (Some other poor people are the most willing to rip you off, too but .. Razz

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What happened to the people that implemented rationing and helped each other through the blitz?

If the TV shuts down and the advertising stops, maybe we will all actually remember that we're human beings ...

Grifter

SoothSayer

What happened to the people that implemented rationing and helped each other through the blitz?

I'll effin well tell you:

We have been reprogrammed by the trendy lefty political correct brigade over decades.

You know the sort: they usually work for the State in some way and really, really CARE about the poor & disadvantaged whilst driving big Volvos, wearing green Wellington boots and living in the nice part of town. They often have holidays in Provence too.

These people are 99% white & middle class ... but feel that they have SO much in common with their gay, black & coloured colleagues. They need to SHOW that they personally apologise for the British Empire.

They look down on those nasty people who own or build businesses - unless the business people are non-white or gay.

They have also torn the heart out of the "fascist" police & armed services through Political Correctness. The current UK police force is now a joke.

The UK education systems has also been destroyed by their petty efforts at "fairness". We have sports days where there are NO losers ... everyone wins, so nobody is mentally damaged by feeling a failure (even if they are). The educational standards in the UK have also now declined to 3rd world levels.

These parasites of course will expect "support" & "protection" when the going gets tough. How many will go into a Moslem area to help the injured in a riot situation? Not many - most will be scuttling away to their second homes in the countryside or abroad.

Britain has suffered a probably fatal social infection due to this crowd of ageing hippies and their progeny.

You can hear now sometimes machine gun fire on British streets ... in the past that would have been German attack aircraft - but now it's our new arrivals so beloved by our politicians.

I hope that Blair & the dreaded "Blair's babes" & their ilk and all the other left wing do-gooders rot in hell for what they have done to the UK over the last decades.

To revisit your question:

Why should I accept rationing so that low-lifes can benefit from handouts to keep them quiet?

Why should I help people 60% of whom want to turn the UK into an Islamic republic?

Does that help explain why & how the UK has changed?

Edit: fixed typo
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Gridlock · Heavy Crude Joined: May 05, 2006 Posts: 240

SoothSayer

Do you mind if I ask Soothsayer, where did you find out about PO?

I think I know why you are asking ... and no it wasn't from THAT web site ... although I have seen their (poor) web pages since.

FYI a lot of people in the UK have views similar to that crowd - although maybe not to the same extent.

I really can't remember where I first saw PO mentioned... perhaps a mention on an eco or green web site (my usual web habitat!)
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Gridlock · Heavy Crude Joined: May 05, 2006 Posts: 240

I take back the inference. I quite agree that those viewpoints are growing in the UK, fuelled in no small part IMHO to what is written in the tabloid press.