How then, do we move backwards? How does a society, with most of the people having no clue of future events, move from being dependent on a vast and intertwined network of goods and services produced by the indigenous people of whereever, to a local resource and renewable energy based society, and do so in the timeframe available (20-30 years using the most liberal extimates, 10-20 with resonable estimates, 5-10 with worst case scenarios), all the while prices on everything increasing, world politics getting more militaristic, governments continuously reducing civil liberties, shortages of goods on the market and weather patterns resembling bad Hollywood movies?
Joined: Jun 13, 2005 Posts: 1206 Location: Western US
Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 6:33 pm Post subject: How long could you survive now with what you have on hand?
I was thinking about this question today, and my answer to myself was probably longer than I'd have imagined (that's when we start eating the olive oil, etc.).
I casually asked my husband this question today, and his answer: "Well, we have one good beer and two bad ones. So probably about a day."
Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 7:15 pm Post subject: Re: How long could you survive now with what you have on han
I could survive on what I have for a long, long time - but I couldn't live a lifestyle anything like I have right now.
Without any input of supplies, I could keep my current lifestyle going for about two months, with the exception that I would have to dramatically cut my electricity use, since I can only generate around 250 watts constant on the average. I can crank up the generator if I need more power, but the fuel wouldn't last long. I could probably run the generator for big jobs one day a week for two years.
After two months, I would be down to some canned goods and dry supplies, which I have enough of for years. I would need to expand my garden greatly in the next year to supplement the dry foods, but I would easily make it on a beans and rice diet until I could do that. I have about half an acre of established tree and small fruits, so I would not suffer too much.
Hard to say how long I could really go. Eventually, I would run up against need for parts for things like the well pump, and home maintenance. I would run out of wood and I don't have enough of a wood lot to replenish it (this could be a big problem). Without income, I would eventually have a problem with property taxes. Medical problems also would crop up sooner or later.
All you can do is prepare. Even with the best preps, you could come down with appendicitis and be in real trouble. _________________ With a farewell scream of escaping steam, the boiler bows to the Diesel;
The Iron Horse has run its course and we ride a chromium weasel
-Ogden Nash
Joined: Apr 03, 2004 Posts: 6371 Location: My Grandkids' Farm
Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 7:20 pm Post subject: Re: How long could you survive now with what you have on han
LadyRuby wrote:
I casually asked my husband this question today, and his answer: "Well, we have one good beer and two bad ones. So probably about a day."
Beer is an important staple – and I seem to rotate my stock more often that my Dr. would approve.
Saying that, our staples are lower than at any time I can remember, I do however have a supply of hoofed beefsteak and some beans, dry corn and flour to go along with – my garden is crap btw…
No power, no FFuels and no beer; I’d say 1 year – maybe; depending on how my S.O. can handle me without beer. _________________ Make a plan and work it:
Joined: Oct 04, 2004 Posts: 5032 Location: Oklahoma
Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 7:31 pm Post subject: Re: How long could you survive now with what you have on han
Pops wrote:
...depending on how my S.O. can handle me without beer.
That is hilarious.
We could go for at least 3 months with the food and water we have on hand, longer if we were careful about rationing. Got enough supplies to brew many cases of beer. I want to add to our food storage in the next couple of weeks, I'd be a lot more comfortable with a year's worth of survival rations.
Wait, why are you asking this? Are you with FEMA? _________________ "Every junkie's like a setting sun..." - Neil Young
Joined: Jun 13, 2005 Posts: 1206 Location: Western US
Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 8:42 pm Post subject: Re: How long could you survive now with what you have on han
Shannymara wrote:
Pops wrote:
...depending on how my S.O. can handle me without beer.
That is hilarious.
We could go for at least 3 months with the food and water we have on hand, longer if we were careful about rationing. Got enough supplies to brew many cases of beer. I want to add to our food storage in the next couple of weeks, I'd be a lot more comfortable with a year's worth of survival rations.
Wait, why are you asking this? Are you with FEMA?
No not with FEMA, I think I'm thinking about this for a major disaster or flu pandemic type thing. I'm thinking (maybe too optimistically) that we could survive a few months. But not happily.
Joined: Apr 17, 2005 Posts: 2663 Location: Vancouver Island
Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 9:28 pm Post subject: Re: How long could you survive now with what you have on han
Water - Assuming that it doesn't rain a single drop again 6-8 months easy. Assuming a dry season Years. Assuming regular rainfall (it's been getting heavier lately) forever.
Food - Assuming the power stays on and I can take my time emptying the freezer and fridge 2 maybe 3 months for the two of us once I get the pasta filled again. If the power goes out and I loose the freezer 1 month probably.
Damn I need to go shopping for dry goods again. _________________ shame on us, doomed from the start
god have mercy on our dirty little hearts
Joined: Apr 28, 2006 Posts: 2897 Location: East Texas
Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 11:53 pm Post subject: Re: How long could you survive now with what you have on han
3+ months without leaving; though it would be spectacularly boring fair.
Interesting question then, how do you tell if you're gonna be on your own for 3 months. When does it become worth it to cut trees to get sun light and plant 1000 sq ft of corn and peas?
Harder question really becomes at what point do you abandon ship on suburbia, get in the truck and head to the farm. Wait to long, and you can't get stuff growing in time to make the transition, go to early, and you'll look like an idiot to family and friends if nothing interesting actually happens. Remember back in the 80's, "guy with a bombshelter" routine?
Hardest question... How to enjoy civilized life in the air conditioning for as long as possible, and yet end up on the farm with a mule or two and a couple burros. (I like burros, we think alike.) when things go splat....
Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 1:33 am Post subject: Re: How long could you survive now with what you have on han
Personally, I dont think things will go splat, and all of a sudden, no civilization. Not impossible mind you, but unlikely.
But what the heck, I'll play too.
Depends on if I made a Costco trip or not. Fresh from there, probably a few weeks, though the last week would be rather slim pickings for sure. I got 18 pounds of rice and 10 pounds of oatmeal, canned fruit, veggies and milk. I also baked me a months worth of Sherm's MegaMuffins which also pack a nutritional punch as well. But after that, games up.
I dont worry about water here. On many days, simply putting a bottle and funnel out will suffice. _________________ UNplanning the future...
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Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 5:47 am Post subject: Re: How long could you survive now with what you have on han
I want to die off fast, but I want to make the quick transition from an epicurean moment to the mob bashing in my skull. I've got some wine, some cheese and a battery to play my music.
"The will to power is the will to life." How would Nietszche treat Peak Oil?
Joined: Apr 03, 2004 Posts: 6371 Location: My Grandkids' Farm
Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 8:10 am Post subject:
LadyRuby wrote:
...I'm thinking about this for a major disaster or flu pandemic type thing.
Seriously I was thinking about this when we went to feed some heifers (one of my sideline jobs) last night. We saw a neighbor out fiddling in his garden and stopped to shoot the breeze. He walked over to the truck and promptly coughed in the window.
I thought to myself how hard it would be for us to quarantine ourselves even with food, water and no need to work away from the house. _________________ Make a plan and work it:
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