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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 8:21 pm    Post subject: Sedona AZ Fire: How are you, Montequest? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Sedona Fires

Monte: Give us a heads up if you are Okay out there.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 8:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Sedona AZ Fire: How are you, Montequest? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

argh. Even if they get this one under control the dry lightning season is just beginning. Everything around here is crispy dry and I feel as if I am sitting in a pack of matches. 70 years of fire suppresion have created the most hideously overgrown and now drought ravaged tinderbox you can imagine. We have already moved our things to safehavens. I hope Monte had a chance to as well. We are seeing some of the downwind smoke here in NM already.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 9:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Sedona AZ Fire: How are you, Montequest? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I was threatened in the 2003 "Paradise Fire".

Fire sucks!

Stay safe out there!

Keep us posted.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 6:15 am    Post subject: Re: Sedona AZ Fire: How are you, Montequest? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Sedona via Wikipedia

Here it is. I was out there a few years ago. Most of the structures are in kind of a low-lying area, with lots of flammable material in it.

It's really quite a nice place.

There are differences of opinion about this whole issue of fires out west. Ecologically, every few years these places are supposed to burn out so the area can be cleansed of its flammable undergrowth, makes the forest healthier, etc. But, this is pretty inconvenient for the people who have chosen to live there since the last big fire.

So, some of the locals, mainly the real estate developers, and chamber of commerce types, try to resist nature and keep these fires to a minimum. The Forest Service tends to favor letting it burn, like they did in Yellowstone a few years ago.

It would be interesting to get Monte's take on this, since he is a former ranger, etc. and also may be directly involved in a hands-on way.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 2:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Sedona AZ Fire: How are you, Montequest? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

pup55 wrote:
Monte: Give us a heads up if you are Okay out there.


I'm fine. The Brins Fire is about 6 miles from me. It started near a trail head in the Secret Mountain Wilderness. Probably by a cigarette.

The Seven Canyons area with about 400 home was evacuated. This is over the mountain range you see in the valley photo. It burned to the foot of Wilson Mt. and then ran up the side from about 4500' to over 7000' and is now burning the Pondersa pine forest rather than the junipers we have down here.

We have not had any real rain for almost a year. It is very dry with temperatures over 100 degrees.

Hwy 89A is closed through Oak Creek Canyon. Everyone is hoping that the fire will be contained on the mountain top and not drop into the canyon. If it does, it could burn all the way to Flagstaff.



http://www.experiencesedona.com/gallery/redrock/
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 5:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Sedona AZ Fire: How are you, Montequest? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Glad to hear you're dodging the flames out there.

Can you feel the love from your fellow PO'lers?

Nice pics in the Sedona gallery btw, MQ.

Reminds me a little of Big Bend Nat. Park.

Interesting place to camp out for PO however.

Is the population growing out there?

Are your neighbors PO friendly/neutral or informed?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 6:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Sedona AZ Fire: How are you, Montequest? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Interesting place to camp out for PO however.

Is the population growing out there?

Are your neighbors PO friendly/neutral or informed?


We have about 17,000 people. The immediate area can't grow as it is surrounded by wilderness. We have a year round trout stream that flows through town (Oak Creek) and the longest stretch of remaining wild and scenic river (Verde River) in America.

The Verde Valley is quite fertile, however I also have a 212 working farm in NW Missouri.

The area is known for it's New Age and holistic thinking. I have teamed up with the locals to be the site admin for http://sustainablearizona.org
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 7:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Sedona AZ Fire: How are you, Montequest? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Beautiful website Monte!
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 9:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Sedona AZ Fire: How are you, Montequest? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Beautiful website Monte!


Thanks! I built it with help from Aaron. He gets full credit for the splash page.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 10:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Sedona AZ Fire: How are you, Montequest? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

The Brins Fire is now 1,100 acres and only 5% contained. It has moved down into Oak Creek Canyon into heavy fuel. This was our worse fear.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:45 am    Post subject: Re: Sedona AZ Fire: How are you, Montequest? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Sunny. Light winds becoming southwest 10 to 20 mph in the afternoon. Highs 90 to 98.


Hot, windy. Not good.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 7:52 am    Post subject: Re: Sedona AZ Fire: How are you, Montequest? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Great. So after looking into it I don't think a lot of the smoke here is from AZ but instead from the 10 or so fires burning thoughout NM. Most are fairly small or in unpopulated areas but that seems to be whats contributing most to the brown pall over the state. I found this site which is good for updates. Maybe there is one for AZ?

NM fire info

Thunderstorms moving in the weekend maybe. While we REALLY need the rain it will put us at high risk for more fiires. It will take a whole lot of rain to keep things from lighting up out here...

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Good luck in Sedona Monte...

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 12:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Sedona AZ Fire: How are you, Montequest? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Choosing the evening time frame and visible
satellite imagery is the best way to hunt for
smoke from large forest fires. The oblique sun
angle helps to make the smoke more noticeable.

Indeed, here are a few shots from yesterday (june 21).

I've added red arrows beneath the smoke plume.

First image. There is indeed a large fire or
group of fires burning in New Mexico. Plume
moving to the northeast.



Next, couple of closeups of the above image.
Below you can see the heavy smoke plume from
NM crossing the Texas panhandle.



Yet further downstream the plume approaches
my neck of the woods - wisconsin.



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 12:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Sedona AZ Fire: How are you, Montequest? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I hate to break it to you but that isn't Arizona, its New Mexico... The smoke is largely coming from the reserve complex fires in SW New Mexico.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 1:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Sedona AZ Fire: How are you, Montequest? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

gnm wrote:
I hate to break it to you but that isn't Arizona, its New Mexico... The smoke is largely coming from the reserve complex fires in SW New Mexico.

-G Laughing


>sigh<

I knew that - really. Such are the hazards of posting before drinking
first cup of coffee.

My Mom lives in NM, I should've noticed this

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