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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 8:02 am    Post subject: Nothing can stop rise of CO2 level Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Humanity will talk about reducing greenhouse gas emissions and will implement various remediation programs with much fanfare, but levels of C02, methane, etc., are still headed up, and I think nothing can stop the climb.

Carbon trading, ethanol, and other initiatives are just sandbox play. Reminds me of recycling, which removes one or two used plastic bottles from the discharge end of the conveyor-belt of trash while five or six new ones are being added at the source end. You still have a huge net gain in total trash.

China, India, coal, coal-mine fires, melting permafrost, global deforestation, burning of the remaining oil and NG, and another 2-3 billion people by 2050. No combination of Band-Aid remediation programs can make more than a tiny dent in the assault of all that on the atmosphere.

RIP our civilization, killed by one-two punch of heat pollution and PO.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 8:55 am    Post subject: Re: Nothing can stop rise of CO2 level Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

This world is passing away.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 9:00 am    Post subject: Re: Nothing can stop rise of CO2 level Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

And so we are left with the only choice nature has ever given us over the last 2 million or so years...

ADAPT OR DIE.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 9:02 am    Post subject: Re: Nothing can stop rise of CO2 level Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I wouldn't be surprised if The Powers That Be do something drastic to reduce the population when the writing really is on the wall ... they might feel that they have no choice.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 9:05 am    Post subject: Re: Nothing can stop rise of CO2 level Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Heineken wrote:
...China, India, coal, coal-mine fires, melting permafrost, global deforestation, burning of the remaining oil and NG, and another 2-3 billion people by 2050. No combination of Band-Aid remediation programs can make more than a tiny dent in the assault of all that on the atmosphere.

RIP our civilization, killed by one-two punch of heat pollution and PO.


Exactly what Lovelock is talking about:

Lovelock: 'We are past the point of no return'
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 9:12 am    Post subject: Re: Nothing can stop rise of CO2 level Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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I wouldn't be surprised if The Powers That Be do something drastic to reduce the population when the writing really is on the wall ... they might feel that they have no choice.


Come now do you really believe that or are you just baiting conspiracy theorists again...?

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 9:24 am    Post subject: Re: Nothing can stop rise of CO2 level Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

C02 emissions is a huge problem in Alberta. Seven out of 10 of Canada's worst industrial plants for emissions are located in Alberta, with the top one, a coal plant, just outside of Edmonton. This information was in an article in the Edmonton Journal last week (sorry, can't provide a link). Of course, the article was tucked away in a spot beside the car advertisements or something so no one would see it. And I hate to think how much worse this problem will be as the tar sands are developed more!

It's terrible for the air quality, so many people with asthma, etc. Of course, the rivers are less viable and this beautiful province as a whole will take a beating. And the effects are, of course, cumulative for Mother Earth!
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 9:34 am    Post subject: Re: Nothing can stop rise of CO2 level Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

No need to bait conspiracy theorist on this board Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 9:54 am    Post subject: Re: Nothing can stop rise of CO2 level Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Then why don't we just have a huge world wide party? I'm mean a real party, one keg per person. We could summon up enough resources to give every last man, woman and child a good artery clogging steak dinner, a keg of good beer and a couple good cigars. We could take it even further and bring back blood sports. How about death match football? None of this silly paying athletes millions of dollars and then saying that they are in a "slump" when they suck. How about you win then get your millions, or you lose then die. That would make for some really good games.

Of course those who refuse the hospitality shall be declared terrorists and will be shot on sight.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 10:01 am    Post subject: Re: Nothing can stop rise of CO2 level Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Kingcoal wrote:
Then why don't we just have a huge world wide party? I'm mean a real party, one keg per person. We could summon up enough resources to give every last man, woman and child a good artery clogging steak dinner, a keg of good beer and a couple good cigars.


That's exactly what we're in the process of doing, Kingcoal. Globalization is the final massive spasm of the party.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 10:07 am    Post subject: Re: Nothing can stop rise of CO2 level Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

gnm wrote:
SoothSayer wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if The Powers That Be do something drastic to reduce the population when the writing really is on the wall ... they might feel that they have no choice.


Come now do you really believe that or are you just baiting conspiracy theorists again...?

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I'm not talking about silly conspiracy theories being thrown around willy nilly by overfed teenagers stuck in their bedrooms in a resource rich 2006.

I am talking about a stinky, polluted, overpopulated, strife torn world in 20-40 years time where we have run out of oil and are burning anything we can.

At some point we may realise that a major cull would save the planet - at least to some degree ... otherwise it's all over.

If we won't make "difficult" decsions now, our children may have to make "drastic" decsions.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 10:33 am    Post subject: Re: Nothing can stop rise of CO2 level Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

A "major cull" of human population will happen anyway, Soothsayer, whether engineered by people or by nature.

"The planet" will survive us, albeit in altered form. Evolution will resume even if only a few tough forms of life survive.

I think the whole enterprise has become too large and complex for humans to exercise rational control over the trends now under way. The "destruct sequence" has been initiated and can't be stopped.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 10:34 am    Post subject: Re: Nothing can stop rise of CO2 level Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

SoothSayer wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if The Powers That Be do something drastic to reduce the population when the writing really is on the wall ... they might feel that they have no choice.


Say like a bird flu? or forced starvation?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 10:42 am    Post subject: Re: Nothing can stop rise of CO2 level Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Every 7 to 10 days, a new coal-fired electricity generation plant opens in China, providing enough electricity for a city the size of Tampa.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 10:45 am    Post subject: Re: Nothing can stop rise of CO2 level Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

BTW, I didn't mean to imply Chinese are responsible for our present predicament, only that there is tremendous momentum in place that makes it clear global warming will only get worse.
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