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PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 9:17 pm    Post subject: U.S. Nuclear Plants to be Built by Hitachi, GE Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

U.S. Nuclear Plants to be Built by Hitachi, GE

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Connecticut-based General Electric and Hitachi Ltd. will build two nuclear reactors in the U.S. outside Houston, Texas, for American power supplier NRG Energy Inc. The $5.2 billion project is a result of climbing oil prices making nuclear popular.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 9:28 pm    Post subject: Re: U.S. Nuclear Plants to be Built by Hitachi, GE Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I can't wait till the idgits in California start whining... "why does our grid have all these brown outs and rolling blackouts in summer, and Houston just keeps humming." Serves the silly NIMBY's right.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 9:41 pm    Post subject: Re: U.S. Nuclear Plants to be Built by Hitachi, GE Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

California would be better off using solar and geothermal. It's the most seismically active region in the US.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 9:48 pm    Post subject: Re: U.S. Nuclear Plants to be Built by Hitachi, GE Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Graeme wrote:
California would be better off using solar and geothermal. It's the most seismically active region in the US.


And coal.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 9:51 pm    Post subject: Re: U.S. Nuclear Plants to be Built by Hitachi, GE Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

San Andreas Fault Set for the 'Big One'

http://www.physorg.com/news70114196.html
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 9:55 pm    Post subject: Re: U.S. Nuclear Plants to be Built by Hitachi, GE Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Graeme wrote:
San Andreas Fault Set for the 'Big One' (Update) San Andreas Fault Set for the 'Big One' (Update)

http://www.physorg.com/news70114196.html


Yeah, I read an article on the same thing a couple days ago.. Its wierd how tens of millions of people who could live anywhere in the US decided to live in a water deprived, geologically unstable, power sucking utopia...

Now, I wouldn't suggest that California build nukes if they don't like the risks, but they ought to do more to produce a higher percentage of their own electricity.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 7:44 am    Post subject: Re: U.S. Nuclear Plants to be Built by Hitachi, GE Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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California would be better off using solar and geothermal. It's the most seismically active region in the US.

Japan is one big fault line and has 50+ reactors. It's not hard at all to build reactors that are earthquake hardened.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 9:41 am    Post subject: Re: U.S. Nuclear Plants to be Built by Hitachi, GE Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

For East Texas:

What's the old Joke? How do you get to Texas?

Answr: Go east till you smell crap, that's Oklahoma,
Then go south till your standing in it, that's Texas.

In a nutshell that's why some people choose to live in L.A.
and instead of Houston or Dallas.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 9:58 am    Post subject: Re: U.S. Nuclear Plants to be Built by Hitachi, GE Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

rwwff wrote:

Yeah, I read an article on the same thing a couple days ago.. Its wierd how tens of millions of people who could live anywhere in the US decided to live in a water deprived, geologically unstable, power sucking utopia...

Now, I wouldn't suggest that California build nukes if they don't like the risks, but they ought to do more to produce a higher percentage of their own electricity.


LOL - well, it is beautiful here. I can't figure out why people live in places that are uncomfortably hot and humid half the year, swarming with insects, and vulnerable to hurricanes, tornados, etc. I'll take the occassional shaker over annual floods any day!

Seriously, the climate's pretty good here, so we don't have to burn nearly as much energy to heat and cool our homes. We also get a lot of sunshine - we could generate a lot of power from rooftop solar systems if we had the motivation.

I agree that we shouldn't export our power problems to our neighbors, unfortunately we have a lot of lawyers here, and NIMBY thinking cloaked in concern for the environment is the rule. So we build NG plants and pretend that keeps our hands clean, leaving everyone else to build coal-fired plants. If it were up to me we'd expand solar, and possibly wind, where practical, and round it out with more nukes. I agree with Stavrid plants can be designed to survive earthquakes.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 11:24 am    Post subject: Re: U.S. Nuclear Plants to be Built by Hitachi, GE Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I have stated tirelessly, if the same resources and attention were given to the renewables and efficiency as nuclear, there would be no brownouts, blackouts etc. in California. The scale of the resource is large enough. Distributed rooftop solar alone in California can supply at least 10% of demand. That is not even including concentrating solar thermal that can supply another 20% without issue. We keep saying that the renewables are not large enough which is simply not factual when the total available renewable resource is considered.

Just think about this, There are probably 5 million or more households in California that can accomodate 3KW of PV on the roof which equates to 15,000 MW installed. Take a capacity factor of 20% and you have 3,000 MW equivalent. That does not include industrial rooftops and parking lots that can probably produce another 3,000 - 5,000 equivalent. Take into consideration that these cells are producing energy at the time of maximum demand (hot, summer afternoons thus making the effective capacity factor even larger). Add in the known potential for at least a 20% saving in electricity use at lower cost than any supply alternative, add in concentrating solar in the southern part of the state, the geothermal potential (Baseload), also in the thousand megawatt range, wave and tidal off the coast and they would be sitting pretty. Then use natural gas and gasified coal to cover the variability using small to medium scale cogeneration and fuel cell/turbine hybrids and there would be no issue.

Importation of power from other sun baked states like Arizona, Nevada, New Mexico and possibly Utah, Wyoming, Idaho, Montana etx. further diversifies supply. These states have renewable generating potential far in excess of their local demand.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 11:52 am    Post subject: Re: U.S. Nuclear Plants to be Built by Hitachi, GE Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

SILENTTODD wrote:
Go east till you smell crap, that's Oklahoma,
Then go south till your standing in it, that's Texas.


Last week I was digging some soil in my backyard... Its just regular topsoil on top of clay. Maybe I need to find some of this manure and work it in; then it'd grow even bigger vegetables and would sorta make the joke true...
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 11:55 am    Post subject: Re: U.S. Nuclear Plants to be Built by Hitachi, GE Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Andy wrote:
I have stated tirelessly, if the same resources and attention were given to the renewables and efficiency as nuclear, there would be no brownouts, blackouts etc. in California.


I don't think the plants currently in existance can produce that kind of volume.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 12:32 pm    Post subject: Re: U.S. Nuclear Plants to be Built by Hitachi, GE Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

There’s a plan afoot to put some tidal powered turbines under the Golden Gate Bridge. It seems like a great idea if it doesn’t kill too many fish. We'll see if anything comes of it. I remember reading about some plans for prototype wave generator up in Arcata (seems a little more far fetched).

I do agree however that we should be more responsible for our own power generation. Maybe more geothermal plants in the Long Valley / Mammoth area would help a little.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 3:44 pm    Post subject: Re: U.S. Nuclear Plants to be Built by Hitachi, GE Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Andy wrote:
*Solar is good!*

But damn expensive.

Read this little thought experiment at the Oil Drum.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 3:47 am    Post subject: Re: U.S. Nuclear Plants to be Built by Hitachi, GE Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Take a piece of good news about some new reactor construction, add a heaping helping of chronic reactive depression (who among us isn't frequently depressed from reading the news?), and end up with Balkan-style sectional faction-fights. Sigh.

California also exports far more in Federal tax dollars than it gets back in Federal benefits. Not that we're not willing to do our share, but for bridges-to-nowhere in Alaska at $50mm a pop, and that's just scratching the surface...? We've also produced the last two major economic booms: PCs and then the Internet. "You're soaking in it."

The coastal regions are seismically unstable. As for me I'm getting the hell out of here ASAP, and that plan is proceeding apace (i.e. not just me alone, but our community planning group). However, the entire central valley and eastern region is relatively stable. Now rule out the flood plains, and there is still plenty of available land for building reactors. If it were up to me, start with one just north of Sacramento (outside the flood hazard zone) (self-interest disclosure: we plan to go north, so we'll benefit from this one directly), and then another somewhere near Fresno, and then another around Bakersfield. That's a start anyway.

(Maybe we need to bring over some engineers from Japan to address the seismic issue along the coasts. OK, fine, except all the H1B visa slots are being eaten up by companies eager to hire immigrants on the cheap to replace their US engineering workforces. Priorities, anyone?)

The Golden Gate region is also viable for wind. Tidal power can be designed to minimize fish impact; if wind & birds are any indication, higher power output will coincide with safer for wildlife.

So back to the main topics: does anyone here know what reactor designs are being used for the Texas installations? Are they sticking with the tried-and-true, or going for one of the new-generation designs?
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