Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
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Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 6:09 am Post subject: Hunger- are you prepared ?
I wonder if any of posters knows what it is like not to eat today while you are damn sure there will be no food tomorrow either, whatever you do. And aftertomorrow. Two of may greatgrandfarthers died of hunger, and all 4 of my grandmothers/grandfarthers survived 1932/33 in Ukraine which probably means they ate things which probably noone in his sound mind wouldnt even think to try... One of the freshest memories of my mother is about finding a little piece of pigskin all covered by ants around 1946/47/48, how she cleaned it up and divided into 5 pieces to split between 5 sisters... That was the acme of luxury in theirs childhood... I've met my personal hunger in luxury Argentrina 2000.. PRE- crisis... 6 months without pay.. a check to cash 6 months after you quit... 15-18% unemployment... Yea.. it was really something.. I was even exited when I was thinking how much time i will have to read books ets while waiting for mine goddamned check.. 9000 000 seconds... 8 789 000 seconds... 8788999 seconds...But, a i didnt realize a simple truth- you cant really think about anything but food... all 4 or 5 meals a week I had every week in weird churches all around Buenos Aires Argentina... The best one was a lunch at Saturdays in one of the churches.. we were getting a big cup of almost real cacao/hot chocolate, a few cookies, banana or even a post-dated chocolate candie. It really didnt matter that there was no church to eat at any Sunday.. I was really happy that my countryman allowed me to play computer games at no charge at his gamer's shop ( he knew very well that I didnt have any money at all ) It really helped to keep my mind together.. Yep.. there are were times.. I wa sstarting my day from asking any kind of job fro m a temporal agensy two blocks away.. they begged me for telephone number, which I didnt have any way, than they just stopped to ask for it. I wa s showing up there every day, than go all over the sity looking to find a job of a cleaner or a busser or a dishwasher... nope.. they were all reserved.. It didnt really matter that I spoke fluently 4 languages and had 2 universitries degrees.. I lost 60 pounds in 2-3 months without bending any finger... If you think its easy, try for yourself.. I might add.. I have a duodenium ulcer.. it hurts as a hell when you got nothing to eat. You eat whatever crap you can find, just to calm the pain.. Its a real addiction.. There is no way to stop the pain but to eat something.. Paper... Tons and tons of water from public toilets . Ocassional spicy meal of god knows what at church... My stomack couldnt handle it. It started to reject everything. I was throwing up 3, 4 , 5, and later on 6, 7, 8 times a day. I was 23 it was hard for me to get to a first floor.. It sucked, to say the least.. I remember, once it sucked really bad so I decided to spend my last 50 cents on two slices of cheapest pizza you can buy in Buenos Aires.. I knew that I had 60 cents but I couldnt find the last 10-cent coin.. It was 55 cents for 2 slices.. The guy at pizzeria said he cant give me it just for 50 cents.. I spend another 10 minutes searching, but i did found thje piece.. Pizza guy put 5 cent coin of my change into my palm.. That was all my money/property I had in the whole world. The 5 cent argentinian coin is of the size less than an american dime. I was looking at it and was seeing all those hundreds and thousands of dollars i had before coming to argentina, and was thinking- why? I worked hard. I didnt waiste any money. I was saving every penny. Why all my possestions in the world is just this tiny piece of metal?
I walked the streets for two weeks before I finally managed to spend this 5 cent coin. I gave in 2 40-cents beer bottles and bought an 85 cent drinkable yogurt. They dont really allow to buy anything but beer with it but 1 look of cashier at me was enough. No question were asked. I stole 5 or 6 small sweet breads ( facturas ?>) while I was " shopping" and altogether I made myself probably the best meal I ever had. 2 weeks after this I spend totally coinless, and after that my torture was over ( starting yet ? ) and I was able to cash my $973 check , money those corporate thiefs owed me from 9 months ago.. God himself couldnt describe the look at the teller's face when he saw a $ 973 check from a well-known shitter company. It s usually never mor e than $300, and even with that some people slept for weeks enfront of the bank to cash it . It was like he saw all my " adventures" concentrated in seconds.. God forbid..
Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 7:12 am Post subject: Re: Hunger- are you prepared ?
Great Post
Thank You _________________ "When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." - Stephen F Roberts.
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Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 8:34 am Post subject: Re: Hunger- are you prepared ?
I have kept up on world news as best I can. When the economy crashed in argintina I asked my friends and co workers if they had heard of this. The most common response was "no." Or "I am not interested." There is a disconnect for many people in regards to anything that is outside their social network. Reality could soon smack Americans in a similar fashion and people are mostly oblivious to the lessons of history. Pretorian, your story is a stark lesson. I wish you the best luck in the future.
Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 9:05 am Post subject: go for fallen rotting logs
Think like a bear -- grubs, worms, edible bugs. You can find them under rotting logs. You don't want to eat anything poisonous, or anything that can sting, or flies or roaches. Frogs are OK, and snakes.
I've eaten worms to show my daughter it can be done. Songbirds and squirrels are edible if you are hungry enough.
Make sure you have a book on wild edible plants, too.
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Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 10:30 am Post subject: Re: Hunger- are you prepared ?
I have three kids (boy 13, and two girls 10). My son is a peak oiler and the girls believe becuase they still believe almost everything I say. My son and I constantly talk about how life is going to be down the road.
They are spending a month with their father some 600 miles away and are finding out what its like not to have enough food. My son is also learning a good lesson I think on what life is like having the luxuries lots of people refuse to do without (computers and swimming pools) while not having anywhere near as much food as they are used to.
Anyone who has kids these ages knows they are just starting a very important growth phase and will not stop eating me out of house and home for a couple years.
I think this is going to be a very educational time for them. I expect them to be both very hungry and to take a much more interested approach to our family garden when they come home.
Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 10:41 am Post subject: Re: Hunger- are you prepared ?
I think a little preperation can go a long way. I bought the crisis prepardness handbook and it goes into some detail about food storage. I got a long way to go if I want to have a years supply of food.
I cant help but notice that having 7-8 kids with no job and no food make for a bad combination. The moral of the story is dont have a bunch of kids, or any if you can help it.
Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 12:41 pm Post subject: Re: Hunger- are you prepared ?
starvation is one of those horrible ways to die and way in which i hope i don't die. It's important to make some provision of food for even a month or so. You could invest in a wind turbine, solar panels, bike to work ect... but with no food all that preparation is useless
Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 12:54 pm Post subject: Re: Hunger- are you prepared ?
My own personal experience of hunger was when I was a student, and money was critical. So bad that I didn't have the money for bus fare to and from university, let alone lunch. I was walking miles to and from, and you can guess what that does to your body if you don't have the money to eat properly. My clothes were hanging off me.
I read up on frugal living a lot around that time, and found nettle soup. Nettles spread like wildfire around here if you don't keep them down.
That was my experience, and I'll happily go back to eating nettles again in future when P.O. hits.
Does anyone know any really good books on edible weeds, plants, bugs etc for someone living in the UK? I don't fancy eating nettles day in, day out.
Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 1:12 pm Post subject: Re: Hunger- are you prepared ?
Pretorian wrote:
I spoke fluently 4 languages and had 2 universitries degrees..
When did you start your first degree and how long did it take to complete each one?
How long were you working in the company?
You said you were 23 years old? Something is not adding up. _________________ "Once the game is over, the king and the pawn go back in the same box."
-Italian Proverb
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Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 2:39 pm Post subject: Re: Hunger- are you prepared ?
Prepared, but for how long? Everybody can prepare for some length of time--a couple of weeks, months, a year. What to do after that?
I live in a city of 50,000 and an area of 100,000. In the 1800s people here were able to live off the land, but the population was a fraction then of what it is now. If hunger here grew to starvation levels or even severe hunger levels, then like locusts the people would strip the land of every living thing, plant or animal, to survive. Then what?
You can have your year's worth of food stockpiled, but unless you live in a fortress of solitude protected long, long term from everybody trying to get what you have and you also have the ability to replentish your food and water supplies, then you are screwed. To paraphrase the Founding Fathers, if we do not pull together we will die separately. The lone rangers may live, but they will only be surviving. Animals survive and humans are more than animals inasmuch as we have goals and dreams, hopes and potential. If we never had those, then surviving might be enough for the long, long term, but hope is a necessary element for life. People survive hardships, severe hardships, in life because they believe in some kind of hope for the future. What happens when there is no hope seen to hope for?
Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 4:13 pm Post subject: Re: Hunger- are you prepared ?
elocs wrote:
Animals survive and humans are more than animals inasmuch as we have goals and dreams, hopes and potential.
My dream is to build a fortress of solitude, with a goal of protecting it long enough to hope that I have the potential to steal all of my neighbours food so that I can stave off starvation.
Joined: Apr 08, 2006 Posts: 1464 Location: Somewhere there
Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 5:32 pm Post subject: Re: Hunger- are you prepared ?
Concerned wrote:
Pretorian wrote:
I spoke fluently 4 languages and had 2 universitries degrees..
When did you start your first degree and how long did it take to complete each one?
How long were you working in the company?
You said you were 23 years old? Something is not adding up.
I started biology faculty when I was 17. After finishing first 2 years, I enrolled into Finances&Accounting faculty , started from second year ( additional exams ets) so basically I was on my third year at biology fuculty and second year at financial faculty at the same time. This is not very unusual in post-soviet education. I finished my five-year program at biology one when I was 22, and emigrated to Argentina 2 months later. I had to fly back 6 months later to graduate from a financial one. I took a month off. Than I came back to work, but there are were somekinda burecratic problems with my pay, so I quit 2 months later. I was working there from January 17 th 2000 to May 25th 2000. Got paid 1 month relatively on-time. They told me to come at July 26th to pickup the money. I knew that they delay it for 3 months, so I thought the check will be postdated for a couple weeks. It was postdated for 3 months. And guess what- the cashing date was, obviosly, Saturday. So it took 2 days more.
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