How then, do we move backwards? How does a society, with most of the people having no clue of future events, move from being dependent on a vast and intertwined network of goods and services produced by the indigenous people of whereever, to a local resource and renewable energy based society, and do so in the timeframe available (20-30 years using the most liberal extimates, 10-20 with resonable estimates, 5-10 with worst case scenarios), all the while prices on everything increasing, world politics getting more militaristic, governments continuously reducing civil liberties, shortages of goods on the market and weather patterns resembling bad Hollywood movies?
Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 12:39 pm Post subject: Mass mobilisation in India: 3 mio biodiesel trees in 11hours
This is only possible in the developing world:
Quote:
Tuesday, September 05, 2006
Spectacular mass mobilisation in India results in planting of 3 million biodiesel saplings in 11 hours
In a spectacular announcement, the Indian state government of Chhattisgarh's Biofuel Development Authority claims to have created a world record by planting at least three million saplings of Jatropha and Karanj (Pongamia pinnata) in only 11 hours to raise awareness about the plants that are rich sources of biofuels, mainly biodiesel.
Thousands of volunteers of the National Cader Corps (NCC), schoolchildren, village representatives, teachers and officials participated in the plantation drive in all four blocks of Chief Minister Raman Singh's home district Kawardha, spread over an area of 395,800 hectares (3,958 square kilometres / 1,528 square miles). Both jatropha and karanj thrive in semi-arid land and sandy soils, don't require much care or fertilizer and yield between 1500 and 2000 kilograms of oil that can be used as a biodiesel feedstock. The 3 million seedlings will begin to yield after about 2 years, and when mature might deliver a total of around 700,000 tons or roughly 4.9 million barrels of oil. Both shrubs have a useful life of several decades.
Could you imagine your local government saying: "and today we're all going to plant biodiesel saplings. Let's roll."
Actually, I think it would be pretty fun. Such a collective drive... Some nations love to mobilize for other things without asking questions (to go to war over oil, for example), so why not to plant your own oil?
Anyway, if they can plant 3 million trees in 11 hrs time using voluntary labor only, then things look nice for the biodiesel industry there. More power to them. _________________ The Beginning is Near!
Joined: Apr 17, 2005 Posts: 2663 Location: Vancouver Island
Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 1:40 pm Post subject: Re: Mass mobilisation in India: 3 mio biodiesel trees in 11h
Wow 3 million trees all of the same species planted in 11 hours. I'm sure there is no issue with pests and disease building up in what must be miles of monoculture. _________________ shame on us, doomed from the start
god have mercy on our dirty little hearts
Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 1:43 pm Post subject: Re: Mass mobilisation in India: 3 mio biodiesel trees in 11h
strider3700 wrote:
Wow 3 million trees all of the same species planted in 11 hours. I'm sure there is no issue with pests and disease building up in what must be miles of monoculture.
Like Lorenzo said, this is only possible in the (forever) developing world!
Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 1:46 pm Post subject: Re: Mass mobilisation in India: 3 mio biodiesel trees in 11h
Big whoop. I know a guy who planted several hundred thousand all by himself in his spare time. For your information Lorenzo, replanting of forests is done all over in the US. Some for purely economic reasons and some for environmental reasons. It is not only capable of being done in the developing world. I suspect that some of the plant-a-thons that are done in US forests meet that kind of rate. So they will crank out biodiesel and sell it on the world market at a profit while countless thousands starve to death in thier own country.
-G _________________ All right, you primitive screw-heads, listen up!
Joined: Apr 07, 2005 Posts: 225 Location: West of Chicago
Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 1:54 pm Post subject: Re: Mass mobilisation in India: 3 mio biodiesel trees in 11h
I think I know just the people to do it in the US --
-- the gang I used to run with. Was a gang member for years and got elected to the top of my gang.
I was recruited when I was 7, a youth gang. Our colors were blue and gold. We hung out after school at least once a week and had a big gang get together once a month with all the chapters getting together with our gang signs, singing our songs and playing our games. We'd earn badges for bravery, how to start fires, knife work, etc. We pretty much did whatever the leaders told us to do and we spend a lot of time in the woods.
Once my friends and I outgrew the youth gang, we had a ceremony where we crossed over into an adult gang. Our colors became green. More badges. More time in the woods. Got better with guns. Learned to climb things with rope. Got elected into a secrect brotherhood within my gang and got elected to its highest order. Became a leader and one of those who told those wearing green and those wearing blue how to act, how to behave, how to live, how to THRIVE, and what to do.
We're everywhere. We're the worlds oldest gang with membership spanning the globe that reaches back almost a century.
And if you asked my gang to plant some trees, you can bet we'd all turn out.
Joined: Oct 18, 2004 Posts: 1715 Location: kiwibush
Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:55 pm Post subject: Re: Mass mobilisation in India: 3 mio biodiesel trees in 11h
gnm wrote:
Big whoop. I know a guy who planted several hundred thousand all by himself in his spare time. For your information Lorenzo, replanting of forests is done all over in the US. Some for purely economic reasons and some for environmental reasons. It is not only capable of being done in the developing world. I suspect that some of the plant-a-thons that are done in US forests meet that kind of rate. So they will crank out biodiesel and sell it on the world market at a profit while countless thousands starve to death in thier own country.
-G
Lol....hey fella...just a mere three decades ago, you latino boys were the joke of Europe with your jackbooted banana fascists...quit being a sour grape fella and let the world do its development stuff. Manuel!!! _________________ Bugger me, I hear oil's runnin out mate!
Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 7:19 pm Post subject: Re: Mass mobilisation in India: 3 mio biodiesel trees in 11h
lorenzo wrote:
"...spread over an area of 395,800 hectares (3,958 square kilometres / 1,528 square miles)."
And how will this 1,528 square miles will be harvested, and how many times a year? Will this be human labor, or industrialized methods?
I'm curious. If industrial, then diesel or biodiesel will be used and the net will be less than 4.9 million barrels. And does anyone know what the ERoEI of this operation will be? We need some experts here.
"...might deliver a total of around 700,000 tons or roughly 4.9 million barrels of oil."
To put this in perspective, at a thousand barrels a second...let's see...that will last about 1.4 hours at the current world consumption of 84 mbls per day
Now, of course, they may decide to use it only for themselves, in which case it won't be available to us or the rest of the world.
And 1,528 sq mi is quite a chunk of agricultural land to devote to a single crop that is only going to be burned up in trucks and automobiles. People need to eat too.
Sometimes we need to look past the headlines to get a more realistic picture.
You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum
News
Discussions
Resources
Members
Forum FAQ
Search
Usergroups
Profile
Log in to check your private messages
Log in
