How then, do we move backwards? How does a society, with most of the people having no clue of future events, move from being dependent on a vast and intertwined network of goods and services produced by the indigenous people of whereever, to a local resource and renewable energy based society, and do so in the timeframe available (20-30 years using the most liberal extimates, 10-20 with resonable estimates, 5-10 with worst case scenarios), all the while prices on everything increasing, world politics getting more militaristic, governments continuously reducing civil liberties, shortages of goods on the market and weather patterns resembling bad Hollywood movies?
Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 1:51 am Post subject: #500- Who else is headed for the Pacific Northwest?
Bellingham, WA is going to be my new home in a year and a half. Who else wants the rain and the soil and the Amtrak line and the universities and the temperate weather and the hippies begging to be snapped up into shape?
Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 2:10 am Post subject: Re: #500- Who else is headed for the Pacific Northwest?
Is bellingham one of the Suburbs of Seattle? The whole Seattle area is way overpopulated...but then again way better than the Zombie Horde factory you live in right now.
Joined: Apr 17, 2005 Posts: 2663 Location: Vancouver Island
Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 8:49 am Post subject: Re: #500- Who else is headed for the Pacific Northwest?
some of us already live here.
The rain is nothing for anyone native to the area but it tends to really bother folk that aren't used to months of nothing but grey drizzle.
The soil in most places is very expensive and overpriced at the moment. How good it is also really depends where you are. Living in a traditional flood plain? The soil is amazing. Living on the side of a mountain? the soil is crap.
We don't have amtrak on this side of the border so no comment. _________________ shame on us, doomed from the start
god have mercy on our dirty little hearts
Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 10:47 am Post subject: Re: #500- Who else is headed for the Pacific Northwest?
Good luck with that Ayoob. Hope you like the smell of patchouli oil and molding hemp. Remember to take your Vitamin D too so that you don't get rickets from never seeing the sun. (Not kidding on that either. It's actually a problem in the NW.) _________________ "I was born in a deep forest
I wish I could live here all my life
I am made from stones and roots
My home, these woods and roads
All my life I loved this sound
Of the woods all around
Eagles fly where the winds blow free" -Korpiklaani
Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 11:06 am Post subject: Re: #500- Who else is headed for the Pacific Northwest?
We moved to Humboldt Bay 12 years ago from the East Coast. It is paradise. We haven't closed 101 and 299 yet. better hurry _________________ ree rah rip ram. sunofabitch godamn. hidey didey christ almighty. rah rah crap
Joined: Apr 06, 2006 Posts: 2784 Location: 3 miles NW of Champoeg, Republic of Cascadia
Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 11:55 am Post subject: Re: #500- Who else is headed for the Pacific Northwest?
I've lived here (Oregon) my whole life, ya pack of arrivistes and carpetbaggers! Like former gov. Tom McCall said, "Visit, but please don't stay."
What's the #500? A train line?
Amtrak's one of many things I always just took for granted, like alleys. Was surprised to see how rare it'd become elsewhere. Seems like there were a lot of trains crashing a few years back.
Greyhound recently cut service to a whole pack of small towns on north-south routes - and they bragged about it on billboards! A bunch of towns, Portland in one corner and Eugene in the other, and everything in between was blurred out - cause you're moving that much faster without stops. Pricks. They'll change that tune in a few years!
Regarding "hippies begging to be snapped up into shape," I'd put a lot more money for survival on some of the space cadets I see browsing the mycology section at Powell's books than most people. There are some real hardcore outdoorsmen and wymn there!
Last thing, if you do move here , avoid volcanoes, like the Indians did. Towns like Puyllaup WA are going to be buried under 10 feet of pyroclastic mud someday.
most east coast cities get more rain then Portland.
La Crosse, WI for comparison (close city to me)
Sunny days: 95
Partly Cloudy: 97
Cloudy: 173
Avg Temp: 46.3F
Precip: 30.6 inches
On paper, Medford looks like a hell of a place to go. Although its not as wet as other areas.
Seattle avg 38 inches of precip and only 71 clear days. The amt of heat/AC savings would be huge however.
Look here for tons of cities to compare
http://www.climate-zone.com/climate/united-states/ _________________ "Oil is going up because we use too much oil, and the capacity to replace reserves is dwindling"
-President Bush 11/07/07
Joined: Sep 13, 2005 Posts: 1250 Location: Just the right place
Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 3:04 pm Post subject: Re: #500- Who else is headed for the Pacific Northwest?
Lived there (medford) for seven months...
The place is very tighly crammed into a small area. Applegate valley is very inaccessable due to private property. The area is really not that farmable due to it's mountainous surroundings, and most of the population is clueless (George Bush republicans).
I live in Eugene now (I grew up here), after 20 yers in Ca. a lot of rain but the city and surrounding area is very commuter friendly and aware (non-George Bush republicans), surrounded by local farms and co-ops.
Joined: Jun 05, 2005 Posts: 349 Location: Portland Oregon, USA
Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 8:22 pm Post subject: Re: #500- Who else is headed for the Pacific Northwest?
I'm sure some of you know about the grand idea the Libertarians have about relocating to New Hampshire in order to create a critical mass of people of their ilk and more effectively influence public policy. I was thinking that the PNW would be a good place for Peakers to gather as well.
I'm a western Oregon native and lived here all my life (minus one year in Germany as an exchange student...ahhh...turning 18 in Germany with a hot Hungarian girlfriend. Those were the days...but I digress). I think people are generally receptive to the idea of PO and conservation. There is a lot of energy put into alternative, sustainable living (although I think the term "sustainable" is has been as co-opted by corporate marketers as the term "green", and therefore nearly meaningless).
Given my choice of zombie hordes fleeing Las Vegas and Phoenix, and YOU crazy bunch of depletion wackos, I'd much rather have you here en masse. Save your pennies and move here, buy-up the land and start planting potatoes.
-Ian
Portland OR.
PS: for the doomers, we have GREAT dark beer brewed here.
Joined: Apr 06, 2006 Posts: 2784 Location: 3 miles NW of Champoeg, Republic of Cascadia
Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 8:32 pm Post subject: Re: #500- Who else is headed for the Pacific Northwest?
IanC wrote:
I'm a western Oregon native and lived here all my life (minus one year in Germany as an exchange student...ahhh...turning 18 in Germany with a hot Hungarian girlfriend. Those were the days...but I digress).
Hmm, Eastern Oregon native and only 1 month in the Fatherland. Didn't get any but sure drank a lot...
Oregon's where it's at for inebriation. Hops and grains grow like nothing in the Valley, Yamhill Co. where I live has wine appelations going, local pinot noir kicked the French's butts in '76, to their extreme horror. I mentioned mycology. Weed's the #1 cash crop, they say - or is that an urban legend?
Portland has its own Peak Oil society, too - city council members attend meetings. You a card-carrying member, Ian? I left town last year, just in time to miss any of the meetings...
Joined: Jun 05, 2005 Posts: 349 Location: Portland Oregon, USA
Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 9:08 pm Post subject: Re: #500- Who else is headed for the Pacific Northwest?
Portland Peak Oil is a really active group. They have all sorts of events - from screenings of PO movies with discussion afterwords, to various subcommittees looking at what PO means for the city, to an official council working with the city government on preparation. I'm a member of the group, but don't get to meetings much because they always seem to be when I'm home with my little 3 and 6 year old Peakers ("Where are your bikes, people!!!" from the little one when we're about town).
Yamhill county wines are still rockin'. That place has fantastic soil, is close to portland, and still has rail lines. It would seem to be the ideal place for Peak Oil cooperative farming community, but prices are just way too high right now to be accessible to the average family. The wineries have a lock on the whole place.
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ree rah rip ram. sunofabitch godamn. hidey didey christ almighty. rah rah crap 
, avoid volcanoes, like the Indians did. Towns like Puyllaup WA are going to be buried under 10 feet of pyroclastic mud someday.
