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frankthetank
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 1:44 pm    Post subject: THE State of California Thread (merged) Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

San Fran area? Link to image
check out those mud flowing Sacramento river!!! upper right is Tahoe...
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 1:49 pm    Post subject: Re: ANyone from California??? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

While i'm at it, why not look at beautiful southern CA where a lot of food is grown...these are both from yesterday...

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 1:51 pm    Post subject: Re: ANyone from California??? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Hey, there's my home town! And that's my house!
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 1:57 pm    Post subject: Re: ANyone from California??? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Cool photo. Not sure if that is the Sacramento or Russian river, or both.

Not from CA, but watching the news last night there was a politician from Guerneville (most flood affected town apparently) saying that if only the federal government had given them a bit more money in the past they could have had better flood controls....

WTF? If it was so important, couldn't they have raised the cash themselves? Why do people still live on floodplains dammit?

You can't beat nature and my checkbook is empty so stop the foolishness.

The upside is the aquifers in the affected area should recharge quite a bit, and all that new silt will provide nutrients to grow winter fruits and veggies (except the clip I saw showed the clean up crews shovelling the silt down the storm drains, which will surely clog them up and make them useless).

The Northeast had significant flooding last October. Dams held for the most part, but there are currently 237 high-hazard dams (high-hazard means it can cause death upon failure) in this tiny state of Connecticut, not to mention the bridges that need extensive work. So what do Connecticutians do? Use corruption to build a new convention center in Hartford of course!

Buh bye infrastructure.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 2:19 pm    Post subject: Re: ANyone from California??? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Buh bye infrastructure


Yeah, its REALLY gonna be bye bye to a lot of important infrastructure post peak when we don't have the energy to maintain. Everything is gonna fall to crap. Shocked

Especially after the dieoff and theres a lot less people to maintain it.

Of course if nations lash out at each other over dwindling resources we might just blow it all up in one big massive nuclear war. Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 2:27 pm    Post subject: Re: ANyone from California??? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I can see my house from there. Well, at least the general area.

These floods have been a great reminder that the vast majority of California gobbles ass. There are earthquakes, floods, fires, and there have actually been some tornados out in the Sacramento valley, though they aren't quite like the large ones out in the midwest. So now there are a great many natural occurences, their destruction amplified by stupid people doing stupid things, that will bring in FEMA and other debris. Maybe it would be a good idea to get those assholes out, so that they don't waste money on building materials that will falter again once another season of fun comes around.

It's futile to build a sandcastle that is within range of the waves.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 2:41 pm    Post subject: Re: ANyone from California??? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Big deal. It floods occasionally. That silt is what made Napa/Sonoma a great place for agriculture before it got paved/suburbanized.

Now the only new nutrients come from fertilizers.

The Sacramento River/Delta area is screwed tho. The fish all died. We killed the ecosystem by paving the nearby wetlands. Go team.

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The realization that funds are drying up and fish populations are crashing caught many off guard.
``We gambled that we had a lot of time to figure it all out,'' said Gary Bobker, a program director at the Bay Institute, an environmental research group, and a member of the Bay-Delta Authority's public advisory board, ``and we lost.''


Delta's health in rapid decline
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 7:24 pm    Post subject: Re: ANyone from California??? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

That area south of the Salton Sea all the way to the border of Mexico is an agricultural hot bed...Its really stupid to keep paving over/building on all that agricultural land, because i have a feeling thats one thing CHina can't export a lot of!

Hey PMS~my sister use to live in Wrightwood/Rancho Cucamonga/and Redlands(over the course of 10yrs)...i really liked it out there...except for the traffic! 20yrs down the road the whole place is going to look like Tijuana!
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 10:03 pm    Post subject: Re: ANyone from California??? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

frankthetank wrote:
That area south of the Salton Sea all the way to the border of Mexico is an agricultural hot bed...Its really stupid to keep paving over/building on all that agricultural land, because i have a feeling thats one thing CHina can't export a lot of!

Hey PMS~my sister use to live in Wrightwood/Rancho Cucamonga/and Redlands(over the course of 10yrs)...i really liked it out there...except for the traffic! 20yrs down the road the whole place is going to look like Tijuana!


There are a few geothermal plants along the Salton Sea generating energy for the Imperial valley.

Salton Sea Geothermal Plants
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 10:51 pm    Post subject: Re: ANyone from California??? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I wonder if anyone here lives in Beverly Hills or Laguna Beach. My cousins live there.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 4:23 pm    Post subject: Bull-dozing a 14 acre Farm in LA to make room for Walmart Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

LA has served an eviction notice on the 14 acre farm in South Central.

it's about to be bull-dozed to make another Walmart warehouse.

here's what Mike Ruppert had to say about it

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/030306_scf_eviction.shtml

here's the mayor's email address

Mayor@lacity.org

their website is having trouble taking messages, but here's the URL

http://www.lacity.org/mayor/mayhow1.htm
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 4:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Bull-dozing a 14 acre Farm in LA to make room for Walmar Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Copy and paste the form letter please.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 4:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Bull-dozing a 14 acre Farm in LA to make room for Walmar Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

So, let me get this straight... They don't own the land, right? I see no mention that it is being taken in eminent domain, so I can only conclude that they don't own it.

If they don't own it, they should be happy they got to use it this long and should thank the land owner and make way.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 4:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Bull-dozing a 14 acre Farm in LA to make room for Walmar Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Ah, I see. Apparently, the city used to own the land but sold it to a developer. In that case, the issue is not so clear. It is unfortunate the city chose to sell the property, but it seems the battle was lost then. The property is now owned by a private party.

I'm always surprised how people view private property. I would not expect to be able to go down to the local city park and grow vegetables.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 5:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Bull-dozing a 14 acre Farm in LA to make room for Walmar Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

the shitstem is not compatible with post PO.
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