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coyote News Editor


Joined: Oct 23, 2005 Posts: 1709 Location: East of Eden
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 1:47 am Post subject: Re: My Road Trip - Bay Area California to Northern Arizona |
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Plants, I didn't realize you're an artist -- me too. I'm working on the fine art thing, never done much caricature work -- though I know it requires much in the way of observation, and knowledge of features and facial expressions. Being able to whip those things out is impressive. Some of my teachers got their start that way. I've drawn and painted mainly people so far, portraits and figures; but I'm interested in getting into naturalist art. We should do a thread about the role of the arts in a post-peak world. _________________ "If a path to the better there be, it begins with a full look at the worst." — Thomas Hardy |
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Roccland Light Sweet Crude


Joined: Jun 16, 2007 Posts: 1381
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 7:29 am Post subject: Re: My Road Trip - Bay Area California to Northern Arizona |
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| MonteQuest wrote: | Kinda lush for a desert, que no?  |
Actually Sedona occurs on the northern periphery of the Verde Valley/Salt River Water Shed...a very lush region indeed naturally.
| Quote: | | The Verde River is the north and northwestern watershed of the Salt River–Verde River Watershed that co-join and enter the Gila River at Phoenix, Arizona located in the U.S. state of Arizona. It is approximately 170 mi (273.5 km) long and carries a mean flow of 1120 ft³/s (31.7 m³/s) at its mouth with the Salt River making it one of the largest perennial rivers within the state. |
Further...Oak Creek winds it way through Sedona joining the Verde River (portion of this river in this region are designated wild and scenic by the US Gov.) just south of Sedona in a small German town of Cornville that is a quite lush area where these two great rivers converge on their trek to Phoenix and south to Tucson within the CAP.
| Quote: | | Oak Creek, a tributary of the Verde River, flows along the bottom of the canyon and is one of the few perennial streams in the high desert region of northern Arizona. Oak Creek is largely responsible for carving the modern Oak Creek Canyon although movement along the Oak Creek Fault, a 30 mile (48 km) long north-south normal fault line, is thought to have played a role as well. |
_________________ Question:How was Amerika brought down?
Answer: With a bic lighter.
Really - go read the Aug 2008 NIST Report on WTC 7. |
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Joined: Jun 12, 2005 Posts: 4189 Location: 1st territorial capitol of AZ
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 9:51 pm Post subject: Re: My Road Trip - Bay Area California to Northern Arizona |
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I have arrived at my destination.
This may be my last post.
Access to The Beast (internet) etc is limited, and chances to get on-line may be months or weeks apart.
Take care all. I am fine. |
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oowolf Expert


Joined: Nov 09, 2004 Posts: 1227 Location: Big Rock Candy Mountain
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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 4:29 pm Post subject: Re: My Road Trip - Bay Area California to Northern Arizona |
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Love northern AZ. Spent the summer of '71 in Jerome. I rented a room above the "Spirit Room"Bar. (I found out 30 years later that the long-closed "Liberty" Theatre next door contained a poster of the film "The Mummy" that sold for mucho $$$$). If I were rich, I'da moved to Sedona....
Mummy poster:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/film/1247423.stm |
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Joined: Nov 09, 2004 Posts: 1227 Location: Big Rock Candy Mountain
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Joined: Jun 12, 2005 Posts: 4189 Location: 1st territorial capitol of AZ
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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 8:52 pm Post subject: Re: My Road Trip - Bay Area California to Northern Arizona |
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Alright I ain't daid, time for a report.
I will get my own net connection soon, dial up is slow but I'll be able to keep somewhat active on here.
Been helping to get some work done, and just relaxing.
Tumbleweed duty too, damn things.
Lotsa horses around here, and well, life is good.
I do hope to see Sedona, should be some good opps to sell art there.
It will take me a while to get settled in, this place is about as different from silicon valley as you can get.
I will keep you guys posted. |
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jboogy Light Sweet Crude


Joined: Jun 06, 2005 Posts: 1223 Location: the place where smartasses dwell
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Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 7:09 pm Post subject: Re: My Road Trip - Bay Area California to Northern Arizona |
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Wow plants,I was wondering what happened,I almost never leave open discussion,I'm excited for you.You are having an actual adventure(I'm envious).I got a feeling you and some destiny are going to be bumping heads in the near future.Good Luck! _________________ It's the height of rudeness for the stretch polyester pants crowd to foist their tard version of Christ on talmudic scholars. But they don't get this, because they are, after all, extremely thick.----Threadbare |
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Joined: Jun 12, 2005 Posts: 4189 Location: 1st territorial capitol of AZ
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Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 11:50 pm Post subject: Re: My Road Trip - Bay Area California to Northern Arizona |
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Actually I am trying to avoid any bumping heads with destiny - the destiny the Empire has in mind for those in debt (failed business like in my case etc.) is a lifetime in debtor's prison. So, I have had to move somewhere where I can live on very little money, since I wil be making very little money, probably for the rest of my life. I think the real crap, rounding up of those not "politically correct" which can mean simply not making enough money, is going to happen in the cities first. I was considering being homeless in the Sunnyvale area but they have enough homeless already.
I guess I will do my bankruptcy out here and try to stay out of the Empire's way. Maybe with some luck we'll have a real backlash against the credit card companies, with their 30% rates, mortgage co's with their 20% rates* etc.
*If you don't believe 20% rates on mortgages these days, read the fine print on yours. |
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PenultimateManStanding Expert


Joined: Nov 28, 2004 Posts: 12039 Location: Neither Here Nor There
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Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 2:01 pm Post subject: Ruling On California Water |
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Christian Science Monitor article detailing a ruling to cut back 30% of current water use from the Delta and how is affecting agriculture to save two endangered fish.
| Quote: | | After 35 years of hemming and hawing over how to fix the largest estuary in the Western Hemisphere – the sprawl of canals, levees, and flood plains that join the Golden State's two river systems – the state has been told by a federal judge that business-as-usual is now illegal. |
My first reaction to this was in line with my former ways of thinking: this is stupid. This single judge is going to ruin California agriculture to save two fish species. But I now prefer not to take a story at face value. It's possible something else is also going on so I read on and try to see between the lines. The two fish have in all likelihood been endangered for a long time. So why now? They are going to put a lot of people out of work and hurt the California economy and put more upward pressure on food prices. Some would probably say this is just another Spotted Oil situation with one environmentally concerned judge putting the environment before commerce. The judge may also just be following the law and precedent. This is also very likely. But there could also be something else that weighed into this decision. The judge could also be reflecting the concerns of the elite decision makers. In other words, this isn't really just about the fish in the Delta. The word has come down that we have to eliminate certain water intensive agricultural practices, such as growing rice or raising livestock. The word has come down that the price of meat is going to have to rise until we quit eating so much of it. We have to do this because 600,000 people come here every year and we've had drought conditions. Something has to give, and for now that something is water intensive agriculture. This a very important decision that will have wide repercussions and I'm sure some very powerful people followed this closely. I would be interested to see the judge's phone records to see who he may have consulted with prior to handing down the decision. |
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Ludi Expert


Joined: Dec 27, 2004 Posts: 12024 Location: zombie horde wonderland
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Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 2:53 pm Post subject: Re: Ruling On California Water |
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| People could learn how to grow food in a way which doesn't destroy watersheds to the point of endangering fish. Endangered fish now mean endangered people later on. We can't ignore the plight of these little guys and say "screw the fish, people are more important!" The fish and the people go together. So maybe, folks can learn agricultural practices and watershed management practices which will help both the fish and the people in the long run. It's possible, really! |
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Joined: Nov 28, 2004 Posts: 12039 Location: Neither Here Nor There
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Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 3:17 pm Post subject: Re: Ruling On California Water |
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| Ludi wrote: | | It's possible, really! | Well this decision by the judge seems to follow a rational policy of reducing inappropriate kinds of agriculture given the pressures on the supply of fresh water. That's why I suspect this rationale of saving these two fish species is not the only factor in this rather drastic reduction of 30% of delta water for use in California. |
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PenultimateManStanding Expert


Joined: Nov 28, 2004 Posts: 12039 Location: Neither Here Nor There
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Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 7:48 pm Post subject: Re: Ruling On California Water |
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| This is the biggest story of the day. But all we've got here is a bunch of sit on your ass yawning apathetic cynics who don't give a crap. |
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Ludi Expert


Joined: Dec 27, 2004 Posts: 12024 Location: zombie horde wonderland
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Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 9:25 am Post subject: Re: Ruling On California Water |
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Is there any outreach or aid to help the farmers transitions to lower water use, or are they just going to be left to figure it out on their own?
"Stop doing what you're doing" isn't very helpful for people "Try these other methods and we'll help you" is more valuable, I think. Agencies and environmental groups get a bad rep for just telling people to stop what they're doing (stop making a living, often), without telling them about alternative practices whereby they can continue to make a living.
This is an issue that's going to have to be addressed in a powerdown, people must be given options on what to do next besides "go bankrupt and starve!" |
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PenultimateManStanding Expert


Joined: Nov 28, 2004 Posts: 12039 Location: Neither Here Nor There
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Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 11:05 am Post subject: Re: Ruling On California Water |
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| Ludi wrote: | Is there any outreach or aid to help the farmers transitions to lower water use, or are they just going to be left to figure it out on their own?
| I didn't see anything about that in the article. But it sounds like the judge just said 30% folks, have a nice day. |
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128shot Heavy Crude


Joined: Jan 18, 2006 Posts: 305
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Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 11:36 am Post subject: Re: Ruling On California Water |
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Well, the next big infrastructure project I can foresee happening is getting water from the great lakes.
Seems thats what we've come to. |
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