THE State of California Thread (merged)

jato · Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 11:37 am Post subject: Re: Ruling On California Water

IMO, the ruling will be reversed. Billions of $$$$ are depending on it.

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PenultimateManStanding · Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 12:04 pm Post subject: Re: Ruling On California Water

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Ludi · Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 4:25 pm Post subject: Re: Ruling On California Water

Do the rice farmers have water rights/right of capture from the rivers themselves (their own pumps) or are they allocated the water by the state? If the water is allocated, it is a simple matter for the state to reduce the available water, no "cease and desist" required. Much of CA water is moved around by aquaduct, so quanitites are relatively easily controlled.

PenultimateManStanding · Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 4:40 pm Post subject: Re: Ruling On California Water

Ludi · Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 4:55 pm Post subject: Re: Ruling On California Water

Oh, I guess I didn't mean to use the word" easy" or shouldn't have anyway! Believe me, I live in a state with huge water issues, it's one of the biggest political issues (that and the stinkin' roads). What I meant to say, was, the state water agencies purchase and deliver water to each region, so rather than having to deliver a cease and desist to each farmer, the amount of water allocated to the region and to each individual farmer will be reduced by the agencies who physically pump and deliver it, leaving more water in the rivers. Here in Texas it would be much more difficult to protect rivers because each farmer with water rights physically pumps the water to his own land, with his own pumps, not via an agency (at least here in my region).

People will whip this up into a big "not enough food" issue but that's retarded as much of the irrigated land is for animal feed, not human food. Most of us like a big juicy burger but we won't starve if we eat fewer of them. It's an economic issue, not a food availability issue.

It's really about time the west got serious about water issues, what may soon be the single most important issue in that region. People have got to get serious about protecting their watersheds.

Plantagenet · Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 5:39 pm Post subject: Re: Ruling On California Water

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pstarr · Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 12:27 am Post subject: Re: Ruling On California Water

Regarding spotted owls.

I just spent a day in those woods cutting trees and milling lumber. I did it selectively--taking out the occasional tree to improve forest health because my friend truly believes he can make a difference. I rather doubt it. I drove back past endless miles of degraded single-age forests that have been clear cut repeatedly (since the 1950's in the douglas fir forest inland) and (since 1860's in the coastal redwoods). They will all eventually subcumb to forest fire and soil erosion and further degradation.

These forests are degraded and will not produce lumber for 200-500 years. It is much too late to worry about spotted owls. WE ALREADY F*CKED OURSELVES ROYALLY UP THE ENVIRONMENTAL BUTT HOLE hear in northern Calif. So quit trying to assign blame. We are all to blame.

I am sure the Sacremento River delta has also been f#cked up it's slimy marshy *ssbutt already, and it too is probably far too gone for reclamation.

get over it.
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Ludi · Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 1:32 pm Post subject: Re: Ruling On California Water

Ludi · Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 1:36 pm Post subject: Re: Ruling On California Water

Plantagenet · Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 1:44 pm Post subject: Re: Ruling On California Water

Ludi · Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 1:55 pm Post subject: Re: Ruling On California Water

Way to completely miss the point, Plantagenet!

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roccman · Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 5:45 pm Post subject: California: Deep Budget Cuts

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Anyway - o'l girlie man himself seems to think housing is causing this...

Why do I think he is lying out his Nazi ass?

frankthetank · Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 6:58 pm Post subject: Re: California: Deep Budget Cuts

Cut spending or raise taxes!

Or borrow!
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