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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 5:01 pm    Post subject: Guns in classrooms: has the USA gone totally insane? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Many people are really asking whether the American nation has gone completely insane, and what can be done to cure it.

Just imagine this: America is one of the most violent societies because its citizens get free access to guns (kids too).

Now after yet another school drama resulting in the death of yet more children - what do the Americans do? Indeed, they become even nuttier. Instead of finally starting the debate about tighter gun laws, as mature people do, they start talking about handing out guns to teachers so they can defend their pupils.

To many, this twisted, sick, pathological, psychopathic way of dealing with banal problems is a clear sign that the American nation has completely lost it.

Guns in Classrooms?
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How can we help this deluded nation, that causes so much suffering to rational people? How can we re-educate it and bring it back to sanity? Must the American nation be protected against itself? Must some form of international care-taker government take over? Should the UN build vast gulags where Americans get to learn the basics about healthy diets, healthy minds, healthy behavior and healthy human relations?
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 5:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Guns in classrooms: has the USA gone totally insane? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

its already happening lorenzo - thats why they made up the peak oil lie Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 6:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Guns in classrooms: has the USA gone totally insane? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

When Wyatt Erp(?) was hired as sherrif of Dodge City(?) it was because they had had ONE murder in the prior year - yet everyone in town was carrying a gun. It really is not the gun - it is the moral fiber of the society. Go ahead and take the guns - but then be prepared to ban knives, baseball bats, etc, etc
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 6:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Guns in classrooms: has the USA gone totally insane? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

my personal favorite is the tea cup heart remover trick Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 6:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Guns in classrooms: has the USA gone totally insane? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Do you ever post anything but bio-stuff or American bashing?

America's homicide rate is not significantly higher than other similar countries. I assue you I don't need a firearm, or any weapon for that matter, to kill you.

If it was up to me, I'd require every citizen to carry a firearm at all times.

An armed society is a polite society.

It's when there's an imbalance of power you get abuse.

Your nanny-state mindset is typical of a conquered people. You don't think individuals can be responsible for themselves, & require a parent-government to make decisions for them.

Enjoy your gynocracy... you've earned it.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 6:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Guns in classrooms: has the USA gone totally insane? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Ya, that's really stupid. I'm just waiting for someone to try to take over a classroom with a student packing. Boom! Is he a hero or a criminal? What would the reaction to that be? At the current pace it won't be long until it happens.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 6:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Guns in classrooms: has the USA gone totally insane? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Aaron wrote:

If it was up to me, I'd require every citizen to carry a firearm at all times.


That's fine but do you really think all the teachers in a school should be armed? Or church? Most places you can carry a weapon as long as it's not concealed right now from what I understand, you are just going to get a lot of scared looks. On the street open carry is fine with me but if you have a problem at a school hire some armed guards.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 7:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Guns in classrooms: has the USA gone totally insane? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Makes a person wonder why people like Lorenzho is even tolerated Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 7:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Guns in classrooms: has the USA gone totally insane? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I saw the heading of this thread & KNEW it must be Lorenzo Smile

I only disagree with Aarons comment by a fraction...

FIRST...you make firearm-safety classes mandatory...THEN you make carrying a side-arm manditory!

If EVERYBODY has the same strength, it's much less likely that anybody will try to take advantage of you.

If I'm a nut-case willing to walk into an establishment & start shooting people...I'd think twice about it if i KNEW that EVERYBODY was armed!

1 shot kills...then 1 shot kills the killer...it has worked for thousands of years...it still works.

Lorenzo want laws to abolish guns so ONLY the criminals have guns (you know damn well the criminals WONT turn in their guns if they are made illegal).

So would we rather have a society where ONLY the criminals are armed???

Seems rather a basic question to me.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 7:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Guns in classrooms: has the USA gone totally insane? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Neopo...Lorenzo MUST be tollerated because of free speech...same reason I must be tollerated.

Alot of people disagree with me (and my ideals)...what is truely sad is that we've seemd to have lost the ability to listen to eachother.

I disagree with lorenzo on this issue but i can still learn from him IF I LISTEN TO HIM! I don't knock his beautiful vision of a peacfull & disarmed society...i just see it as a pipe dream leading to even further chaos (ie., only criminals are armed)...

But if there WAS a way to make his dream possible...i'd be willing to listen...it is beautiful (unfortunately only a dream as i see it).
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 7:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Guns in classrooms: has the USA gone totally insane? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Most of todays criminals are desperate addicts that will do anything for their drugs.
I am for gun ownership completely yet if you want to solve most of our the violent crime problems then legalize drugs.

You take the profit motive away from the criminal element - you greatly redue the costs of the drugs and then just maybe then alot of the street violence would end.

Guns in the classroom? why not - our kids are already being taught nationalism which according to me is much more dangerous the a gun any day.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 7:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Guns in classrooms: has the USA gone totally insane? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Aaron wrote:
Do you ever post anything but bio-stuff or American bashing?

America's homicide rate is not significantly higher than other similar countries. I assue you I don't need a firearm, or any weapon for that matter, to kill you.


Yes it is significantly higher than other similar countries.

If you look at Homicide rates, the United States has almost double the rate of Spain, three times of Finland, four times the rate of the Netherlands, and almost six times that of Japan.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 7:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Guns in classrooms: has the USA gone totally insane? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

yes we like to kill each other and yeah I dont know why Aaron would state something like that unless it was a ploy of sorts.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 7:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Guns in classrooms: has the USA gone totally insane? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Most of todays criminals are desperate addicts that will do anything for their drugs.
I am for gun ownership completely yet if you want to solve most of our the violent crime problems then legalize drugs..


Yep, that's a good step in the right direction... But the government has no way to tax plants you can grow in your backyard... so it will never happen. Go to the liquor store instead right?

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You take the profit motive away from the criminal element - you greatly redue the costs of the drugs and then just maybe then alot of the street violence would end..


It's an acceptable means to an end for our benefactors.

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Guns in the classroom? why not - our kids are already being taught nationalism which according to me is much more dangerous the a gun any day.


Here is where I break with you. They are being taught "Internationalism", "Multiculturalism". A form of culture devoid of cohesiveness and ripe for race war once as stated before the "Vinere" that oil is has been removed.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 7:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Guns in classrooms: has the USA gone totally insane? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Neopo...I agree with you completely about legalizing drugs... I would still teach my children (if i had any) to stay away from drugs...but it would illiminate the profit potential!!! Thus...no drug dealers! (and almost no shootings).

No different that al capones mob vanishing after prohibition was repealed.
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