Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
Good thread, JD. One of Your best posts. Look at the contributions. I think your point about males vs females in the "olden days" with regard to "human watt" output is a credible argument about "assigned" roles then. Today, much of the bias is carry-over from those days and not really applicable to modern times. _________________ A Saudi saying, "My father rode a camel. I drive a car. My son flies a jet-plane. His son will ride a camel."
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I think your point about males vs females in the "olden days" with regard to "human watt" output is a credible argument about "assigned" roles then. Today, much of the bias is carry-over from those days and not really applicable to modern times.
Monte, do you think then, that if much of our modern society goes away, that those assigned roles will be coming back? Isn't much of the reason for the changing of those roles, the tools and gadgets and cheap energy that allow weaker people to do the same things as stronger people? If you take away cheap energy, do you take away some of that new equality?
Possibly to some degree, but there are a lot of men with "soft" hands these days. "Chores" will become the new sexaul battle ground. Who's turn is it today? Men opening doors for women grew out of the Victorian era where women wore huge billowing dresses and needed both hands to get through a door. Somebody had to hold the door open. It will be interesting to see what new "assigned" roles emerge post-peak. _________________ A Saudi saying, "My father rode a camel. I drive a car. My son flies a jet-plane. His son will ride a camel."
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Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 3:17 pm Post subject:
If you ask me, assigned roles won't be back for a long time. Now that us women have tasted equality (or some semblance thereof), we're not going to go smilingly into our homes post-peak. We know what we're capable of now. The assigned gender roles of the past had very little to do with the capabilities of men and women. Those archaic ideas have been disproven time and time again, and we won't forget that anytime soon . _________________ American by birth, Muslim by choice, Southern by the grace of God!
Joined: Aug 18, 2004 Posts: 694 Location: SF Bay Area, Calif
Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 5:29 pm Post subject: war as the price of energy; traditional gender roles
About women and peak oil...
My wife and I went to see "The End of Suburbia." We had discussed Peak Oil, but she hadn't shown much of a reaction to it, and I thought the vivid predictions in the documentary might make it seem more real.
After seeing the movie, she didn't seem especially shaken. "What about all the changes they predicted?" I asked.
"That didn't bother me." she said. "After all, we mostly live that way already, don't we? Besides I don't like modern America. I'd be glad if there were fewer cars."
Later, she thought more about it. "What worries me is the wars. I didn't raise my daughter, and she didn't raise her two sons to be cannon fodder in Bush's foreign wars."
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I thought about the women in my family who spent their lives in the traditional role of housewife (women born in the 19th and early 20th centuries). Here are some impressions of these female figures from a low-power past:
1. There were several matriarchs who emerged when the extended family stayed in one location for several decades. Perhaps in a less mobile future, we may see more of these stronger older women.
2. There was a zest in mastering and exercising the many skills in the old-time household. There was satisfaction in being the master of the all-important domain of the home -- much more important in the past than now.
3. They did not seem to be unhappy with the kinds of work in the traditional female role. However, they did object to:
- being overloaded, as with too many kids, too little help from husband and family
- being taken for granted
- the role of housewife being demeaned by popular culture. As if it were more prestigious to work in an office than to raise a family
- lack of choice and power. For example, if they were stuck with an alcoholic husband, or if they wanted to limit the number of children or have a career outside the home.
4. Many women in previous eras died in childbirth.
5. The social class of these women was rural farming, middle, and occasionally upper. The ethnic group was English, Scottish, and Northern European. The geographical area was the US. The experiences of other groups may be different.
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Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 5:32 pm Post subject:
Hawkcreek wrote:
I think that isn't quite so. One capability of women (childbearing) was enough to make it in the interest of both men and women for women to be assigned the less dangerous roles. That capability was important enough to generally keep them out of roles like hunting, war, and many heavy lifting-type jobs. I believe that a lot of the roles were assigned as a result of biological imperatives - not a desire of men to have a handy slave caste. From a biological standpoint, women are much more important than men.
*shrugs shoulders* I guess you've got a point. Still, my overall point stands- the view that "only men do this, only women do that" probably won't be back in my lifetime (and I'm 16).
Disclaimer: I know I can't predict the future, blah blah blah. _________________ American by birth, Muslim by choice, Southern by the grace of God!
Well, I've never been in the rat race personally (in fact I've only ever had one job and I'm only 16 years old) but it doesn't sound my thing. But there are many jobs I'd like to be doing other than farming- it's just what is around. Still, it could be worse, it could be worse. _________________ There'll be war, there'll be peace
But one day all things shall cease
All the iron turned to rust
All the proud men turned to dust
So all things time will mend
So this song will end
Joined: Oct 04, 2004 Posts: 243 Location: the Village
Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 12:34 pm Post subject: since I think I mentioned the streetlights......
I am a woman. No sex-change or anything like that, from birth. Or from whatever really happened, in case someone proves in the future that I was made in an alien factory or whatever. har-ha-ha
The dark doesn't rape or attck you, evil people do those kinds of things.
If everything was fully honest, they simply wouldn't be able to exist, their 'energy bodies' are very different from people - such as myself - who would never even think of so much as bothering anyone by shouting over to them in the street.
What I mean is that bad people show up distinctly on energy-body 'radar'. _________________ the frogurt is also cursed
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It will be interesting to see what new "assigned" roles emerge post-peak.
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