Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
Is this preposterous or what? Ignorant Americans, huge percentages of whom can't locate major geophysical and geopolitical features on world maps, know more than Nobel laureates?
Obviously not, but they're the ones setting the agenda, as led by the Ignoramus-in-Chief.
Another example of how TOTALLY screwed we are. _________________ "Actually, humans died out long ago."
---Abused, abandoned hunting dog
"Things have entered a stage where the only change that is possible is for things to get worse."
---Me and my brother
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Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 11:39 pm Post subject: Re: US Public Still Believes Global Warming is Fiction
Heineken, right now I feel like Cassandra talking about Peak Oil to my friends, let alone global warming! Nobody believes you! You see the glazed look and the roil of their eyes. I actually stopped talking about this a year ago. I know they are going to find out for themselves in the next 5 to 10 years without my help all by themselves. I worry about what I’m going to do about it! I’m not as far a long a you are! _________________ Skeptical scrutiny in both Science and Religion is the means by which deep thoughts are winnowed from deep nonsense-Carl Sagan
Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 11:43 pm Post subject: Re: US Public Still Believes Global Warming is Fiction
People do not want to hear that the party's over. Better yet most of us don't take resposiblity for our actions in our everyday life. We try to find a way to cover it up, blame someone else, or make excusses when we are in it deep. From what I have seen and read about the state of our democracy, peak-oil, and the enviroment we are in some deep sh*t. _________________ Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work. ~ Thomas A. Edison ~
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Joined: Dec 02, 2005 Posts: 6786 Location: Oil-addicted Southern Californucopia
Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 11:47 pm Post subject: Re: US Public Still Believes Global Warming is Fiction
SILENTTODD wrote:
...I know they are going to find out for themselves in the next 5 to 10 years without my help all by themselves.
That's right. There's no point in arguing about it. It will be proved soon enough.
By the way, the results of the Pew Research poll seem very different from others I recall. Am I wrong, or do most polls indicate that more than half of Americans accept human activity as the cause of what is going on? _________________ "Thank you for attending the oil age. We're going to scrape what we can out of these tar pits in Alberta and then shut down the machines and turn out the lights. Goodnight." - seldom_seen
Joined: Oct 23, 2005 Posts: 1851 Location: East of Eden
Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 12:27 am Post subject: Re: US Public Still Believes Global Warming is Fiction
Zardoz wrote:
By the way, the results of the Pew Research poll seem very different from others I recall. Am I wrong, or do most polls indicate that more than half of Americans accept human activity as the cause of what is going on?
I seem to remember similarly... but slightly differently worded polls can differ drastically in their results. I know that a heck of a lot of people I know -- including some very intelligent ones -- believe firmly that the current climate fluctuation is due solely to 'natural weather cycles.' People like Rush Limbaugh can take the most outrageous statement and make it sound perfectly reasonable to the uninformed. And anything that sounds reasonable is accepted as fact, so long as it conforms to previously held beliefs/desires.
Is population our biggest issue? Or is it education? _________________ "If a path to the better there be, it begins with a full look at the worst." — Thomas Hardy
Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:00 am Post subject: Re: US Public Still Believes Global Warming is Fiction
Do Americans (and others) really not believe that climate change is caused by human activity? Or is that, if they admit they believe so, they'd have to agree to using less electricity, driving less (if at all) and saying "no" to biofuels (to preserve the rainforests)? If you stopped 50 people on the street and spelled it all out for them in those terms, how many would step up to the plate?
Joined: Sep 14, 2004 Posts: 6625 Location: Rural Virginia
Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 7:54 am Post subject: Re: US Public Still Believes Global Warming is Fiction
The thing that strikes me is that GW is apparent to one's own senses. Winters where I live have changed drastically over the decades, and summers are more broiling than ever. It's obvious.
So people aren't even believing what their own skins should be telling them. Perhaps this is an offshoot of their climate-controlled, divorced-from-nature existences. _________________ "Actually, humans died out long ago."
---Abused, abandoned hunting dog
"Things have entered a stage where the only change that is possible is for things to get worse."
---Me and my brother
Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 9:04 am Post subject: Re: US Public Still Believes Global Warming is Fiction
Heineken wrote:
The thing that strikes me is that GW is apparent to one's own senses. Winters where I live have changed drastically over the decades, and summers are more broiling than ever. It's obvious.
So people aren't even believing what their own skins should be telling them. Perhaps this is an offshoot of their climate-controlled, divorced-from-nature existences.
I agree wholeheartedly, Heineken. Changes such as the ones you're describing are evident in my part of the continent as well.
Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:11 am Post subject: Re: US Public Still Believes Global Warming is Fiction
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The thing that strikes me is that GW is apparent to one's own senses. Winters where I live have changed drastically over the decades, and summers are more broiling than ever. It's obvious.
First, many of the people around here never liked winter anyway. They'd just as soon have things warm up. Second, I think you're giving the average person *way* too much credit for being able to compare the past climate to the present climate. Melting glaciers are a much better indicator for most people, since we can easily see the difference in pictures. Even that is a problem, however, since the skeptics can correctly point out that glaciers have been receding since the last ice age. Never mind that rate of change problem.
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So people aren't even believing what their own skins should be telling them. Perhaps this is an offshoot of their climate-controlled, divorced-from-nature existences.
Yes. This is another key point. They go from their climate-controlled house to their climate-controlled car, drive to climate-controlled work or the climate-controlled big-box, and back in climate-controlled car to climate-controlled house again. It may even be that people think it's cooler than in the past, since they may remember sweltering in the summer in the past, but they don't have that problem anymore. My kids probably don't remember life without central air, and we didn't buy the AC until three years ago (young kids.)
I expect that Americans, having heard about the heatwaves in Europe a few years ago, thought "Why don't they buy air conditioners?", not "Why the unprecedented heat?", if they thought about it at all.
Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:12 am Post subject: Re: US Public Still Believes Global Warming is Fiction
People are more likely to pay attention to and accept something they have control over. The problem with global warming is that there is not much a person can do. Sure, you can reduce your individual consumption and emmissions, but it hardly matters. In fact, even a crash program to reduce global warming might not have any effect at this point, other than to destroy the economy, allow countries that don't give a damn to monopolize resources, and guarantee a slide into the abyss that much sooner.
So, count me among the many who have no interest in global warming. The only difference between me and my ignorant compatriots is that I am willing to accept the reality of a situation I have no power to change.
We might damage the Earth, but it always wins in the end. _________________ With a farewell scream of escaping steam, the boiler bows to the Diesel;
The Iron Horse has run its course and we ride a chromium weasel
-Ogden Nash
Joined: Sep 30, 2004 Posts: 975 Location: On one of the blades of the fan
Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:13 am Post subject: Re: US Public Still Believes Global Warming is Fiction
I don't think people as as ignorant of CC here in Europe, although from the voxpops after the Stern Report, many people aren't going to ditch their gas guzzlers.
Incidentally, here in Britain, I think it is the warmest October I can remember - the trees think it's still Autumn, with leaves falling (instead of bare trees) and I went out for a walk just with a jumper on in the sun. A TV weatherman said it was 5 degrees warmer than normal.
Joined: Sep 14, 2004 Posts: 6625 Location: Rural Virginia
Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 12:08 pm Post subject: Re: US Public Still Believes Global Warming is Fiction
JustinFrankl wrote:
Heineken wrote:
Another example of how TOTALLY screwed we are.
Is it time yet for "carpe diem, and to hell with the future"?
I think you can carpe diem without saying to hell with the future, Justin. _________________ "Actually, humans died out long ago."
---Abused, abandoned hunting dog
"Things have entered a stage where the only change that is possible is for things to get worse."
---Me and my brother
Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 2:23 pm Post subject: Re: US Public Still Believes Global Warming is Fiction
All the evidence for global warming you can find by just looking out the window. A very warm October, world cup ski event in Solden cancelled because of high temperatures and rain, trees still having green leaves on the 1st of november. July was also a ridiculously hot month, I mean, I find the difference with the 70's and 80's striking.
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