THE Fema Thread (merged)

Jenab · Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 3:09 pm Post subject: THE Fema Thread (merged)

FEMA - enemy of the Prepared.: Do not divulge the size or nature of your stash here. Many of us have screwed up already and will have to implement contingency plans. link

The US government has known for many years that there would come a Crash in which its own interest would be opposed to those of the American people. In anticipation of that time, various presidents have signed Executive Orders (basically, laws that override the Constitution) that empower the the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) to locate "hoarders" and confiscate whatever they have.

Hoarders, of course, are the more farsighted people who saw the Crash coming and responsibly tried to get themselves ready. The effect of the legislation will be a general pandering by the government to the "democratic" wishes of the Unprepared masses, by expropriating food and other resources from those who saved them up, and redistributing them to those who were too stupid or lazy to have done their own saving.

In the name of "fairness," we will all go down together. Nobody gets kicked out of the lifeboat so that the rest may live: the lifeboat goes under and everybody dies. Which is, of course, the foulest possible abuse of the word "fair." Nobody can force another to Prepare. Nobody can carry the world, or even his own neighbors, on his back. The price of survival is getting oneself ready, and nobody can do that for anyone else. Up to now, and probably for the next few years, everyone has the same opportunity to increase their readiness as anyone else does.

Now, don't think for one minute that the governing elite is subject to the same requirements. While FEMA is grabbing every last jar of peanut butter in your house, maybe 80% of them will be routed to the clamoring masses, while 20% will be routed to the politicians and bureaucrats for the use of their own stupid and lazy families. So, basically, we Prepared folks may find ourselves at war with the government. In a war, when it looks as if you are about to be captured, the soldier's duty is to destroy assets before they can fall ento the enemy's hands. Any guns or bombs he can't use against the enemy, he must destroy, along with any information he carries that could be of use to the enemy.

I regret having posted here. It puts me into the position of having to revise my original plans. Newbies take warning: don't make the mistake of talking too much. Big brother is watching you!

TheSupplyGuy · Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 3:21 pm Post subject:

Just a little paranoid?
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trespam · Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 3:25 pm Post subject:

The government should be allowed to seize stocks from hoarders in the case of a national emergency. E.g. people who might have hoarded critical materials in WWII. It should not be abused, and defining when it is appropriate it tricky.

skateari · Intermediate Crude Joined: Sep 26, 2004 Posts: 548

Watch out for buying gold and keeping it in your own possession.. this is exactly the thing the government would seize once SHTF.. just like it happend in the great deppression. How exactly are they going to "get to your stuff" if you out in the boonies and have closed contact with everyone else? Are they going to come to your property and steal the cabbage you are growing for yourself? I dont think so. It would only apply to critical things like gold and weaponds. They would make a law having you turn em in, but if they dont even know what bush your hiding under, I dont think there would be much they could do.

Jenab · Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 3:31 pm Post subject:

This legislation makes the peaceful survivalist option much less viable, shifting advantage relatively in favor of banditry. At least bandits are mobile and have only themselves to hide from the government's agents.

I think that we can depend on FEMA to abuse the legislation. The federal confiscation laws were broadened by President Clinton in 1994, apparently with abusing citizens, penalizing them for their exercise of wisdom and prudence, as the primary intention.

Jenab · Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 3:35 pm Post subject:

Suggestion: poison half of your own food. You'll have to do it before the FEMA agents arrive.

jato · Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 3:39 pm Post subject:

a little paranoid... is a good thing.

gnm · Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 4:24 pm Post subject:

I am going to have to agree with the Libertarian leaning folks here. The government has NO RIGHT to steal/confiscate/redistribute any of my money or possesions. They already openly violate this with the income tax. And they refuse to answer sincere questions on the income tax. Think you still have the right to petition? See www.givemeliberty.org for an eye opening account of what the government thinks of your right to petition...

-G

trespam · Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 4:31 pm Post subject:

I do not think the government should seize someone's property without compensation. But if there are shortages and people are hoarding AFTER THEY ARE TOLD NOT TO, then they are interferring with the ability of the society to function in the face of the emergency. If people are hoarding up supplies for themselves over a long time period, before an emergency, great. But the government should have the right to prevent and prosecute hoarding that takes place after declaration of emergency. And if the government requires essential materials for protecting the nation: fine, grab it. But really. Get a life. You think the government really wants your measly little supplies and stocks? You guys are so amusing.

Psssst. TURN AROUND QUICK. SOMEONE'S TRYING TO SNEAK UP ON YOU. Aaaahhhh.
Unfortunately, I paid 50% taxes last year. But that's the way it goes when living in this great country in which someone can work hard and make a lot of money. THANK YOU UNCLE SAM FOR MAKING THIS SUCH A GREAT COUNTRY. AND IM SORRY THERE ARE SO MANY SELFISH UNPATRIOTIC PEOPLE WHO DONT WANT TO SUPPORT YOU.

trespam · Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 4:33 pm Post subject:

Jenab · Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 4:57 pm Post subject:

I'm not a libertarian. I favor human progress, not just technological gains, but improvement on all levels, including his evolutionary advance as a biological organism. These executive orders aim at the opposite of what I aim for. They require power to align itself against competence, prudence, wisdom, industriousness, and morality, by burdening those having those qualities in order to benefit those having the opposite qualities. The government will try to keep its power with the support of the incompetent, the imprudent, the fools, the lazy, and the criminals.

At the same time, the government will reserve for its own use a part of what it expropriates from the (formerly) Prepared. In so doing, the government hopes to ride the die-off like a surfer, until the waves peter out from beneath them, and repopulate the world with their own predatory scion once everyone else is gone: the "Dr. Strangelove" scenario.

Jenab · Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 5:14 pm Post subject:

Kingcoal · Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 5:42 pm Post subject:

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trespam · Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 6:43 pm Post subject:

I think its great that you guys are planning. Plan away. Store away. And I'll fight for your right to not have the government interfere nor seize your supplies.

There is no point in going on with the back and forth. The government does have the right to prevent hoarding (just as they have the right to define how vaccine will be used when it is in short supply). Rationing is a government right. I understand that you guys fear the government. I am more than happy to find a state somewhere so people like you can live together and survive. It won't be a fun place to live, cause all the creative technologists and fun people will be somewhere else where taxes are paid and innovative creation takes place.

You guys are so afraid yet have probably not even considered how much excess oil there will be once the economy drops 25% in GNP.

Peak oil is a problem, but it's not going to play out the way you think.

But like I said: LOOK BEHIND YOU. THE BOOGIE MAN!!!!!!