Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 3:51 pm Post subject: Re: I made a TV show Sample and I need real feedback
Having thought about it some more, I'd make the follow further suggestions:
1) "Organic" is probably the best 'branding' direction to come from. 'Sustainable' and 'ecology' are too fringe. 'Healthy' and 'care for the environment' are good secondary terms. A title of something like "Getting Organic" or "Not Just a Pretty Face" - no matter what it has to sound good, interesting and not preachy.
2) Whatever you present has to be simple enough that people can feel that they could do it themselves. A good rule of thumb should be that they can set it up in a day, and it takes no longer than 5-10 mins a day after, preferably not every day either.
3) Think modular elements, covering one element in a show.
4) Think and consider aesthetics as a major consideration. Whatever you suggest has to work in suburbia, and if possible be a positive addition. Presenting something as a 'Victorian Kitchen Garden', with all that entails, helps make it acceptable.
5) Present manual effort as a)a way to keep trim without the gym, b) chores for the kids, or c) not really hard work at all.
6) Online, free download plans related to the show are a great way to know how many people are taking what's said to heart.
7) Always worth considering melding it with the makeover approach, eg helping a family of the clueless to do X
I would suggest given the route you are looking at it would be well worth you studying and understanding the path taken by Charlie Dimmock in the UK. Try to catch one of the Ground Force shows to see how entertainment and education can seamlessly meld. _________________ Arcane Domain
Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 5:34 pm Post subject: Re: I made a TV show Sample and I need real feedback
BlisteredWhippet wrote:
You know what your problem is? You don't know your audience.
Most of (us) are men. Not women...
We who? The people that watch HGTV? The people on this forum? The people who are concerned about the environment? Terribly broad generalization.
BlisteredWhippet wrote:
Take your clothes off, put it on Google Vids, you'll get a small following for sure. Hold up, I didn't mean nude. I meant sexy. That means don't ever wear bulky sweaters. Take sexy shots. Leave your arms exposed. Smile a lot, seduce the camera. The message to men has to be: "If you can make this happen, your (wife/girlfriend/sister*) will praise you, show you their titties, and spend time outside getting exercise and having sexy, sexy fun, getting all wet and dirty, raising and eating chickens and aquarium food, and eat a nice meal, as a prelude to a night of passion." After which, men might actually do some of this stuff and/or be willing to at least bankroll their (Wives/girlfriends/sisters*).
No kidding. Otherwise, WE WILL NOT LISTEN TO YOU. Sorry, just the way it is. Certain things work to mass effect on TV, and some don't. Watering down your concept to fit the expectations of Israeli fundamentalist Rabbis or narcissistic old people is, frankly speaking, idiotic. Those people will end up watching the derivatives of your show on other syndicated shows, after they've been "sanitized" for the smaller niche market they represent. You either want to do the BIG YOUNG SEXY concept derivative and prepare to own the demographic or capitalize one of the smaller demographics and downgrade your expectations. It might just suit you, to do the "old person's" show, I don't know. Certainly careers could be made. But (Yawn!) BOOORING, know what I mean.
And expect Oprah & Martha, your direct competitors, will beat you to the concept and capitalize quickly. Roundup and Biotech giants will take your show, sexify it, and rehash with their products it in Xtreme Makeover style featuring sexy appeal and their products.
You gotta be realer than real. You have to make them look like the chumps, the followers, the imitators.
You've gotta ride the mythical line between slut and goddess to be a real video star. Western standards of televised entertainment demand it.
* applies to Dirty South only.
Wow ...just ...wow ...what's terrifying is that he just may be right. perhaps it is time for good old Mother Earth to cleanse herself of her parasites ... _________________ ~Anni
“Optimism is the foundation of courage.”- Nicholas Murray Butler
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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 5:59 pm Post subject: Re: I made a TV show Sample and I need real feedback
What's wrong with being a sexy garden goddess? I don't have a problem with that. _________________ "...powerdown so soft and fluffy you'll think you're living in a pillow." - jboogy
Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 6:02 pm Post subject: Re: I made a TV show Sample and I need real feedback
Blistered: Well, clearly you had a lot to say! I think you have misinterpreted some of my earlier statement. I intend to be me. Smart, Sexy and Cool. Oprah and Company can't steal me. The ideas and the principle's behind my work are thousands of years old. I would welcome other shows. Bob Villa and most of the others are professional hosts.(All I have on Bob Villa is ***?) I've met Bob, and trust me, he couldn't build his way out of a paper bag, me or the Tool Belt Diva could chump him in a heartbeat. They (Hosts) don't actually know or do anything, that seperates me from the rest. I am in the business and trust me, off camera there are experts typing into the teleprompter and the host puppet does her thing. I want men to be involved and have fun doing it. That is one of the goals. Try it, you might get lucky that way. "Punch Drunk" I have been working on this project for a while, and what you are seeing now is my teaser to begin building an audience and a critical mass for the show. I'm not argueing with you, men are part of my audience as well.
Joak: Thank you for the kind words. I will look into the show. My goal is not to send anyone to the poor house. Feel free to post my link for me, I am just trying to keep up with the posts I've made. I hope all people figure out that I do my main chatting/messaging here.
CityBoy: Killer Quote! I love that. Thank you for the support. You have been incredibly helpfull, with meaningful thoughts and Ideas. Did I mention that I love the quote you posted? All of my methods are designed to take the work out, and put the fun in to sustainable living. City boy, did you post your comments on the google site yet? So right about Julia Child. What did the average american have in common with her?
Aaron: Thanks for the thoughts on the makeover idea's. I don't know how I feel about it yet. In terms of "slut-goddess", I can tell you all, that I will just be me thats it. And if that works then great, if not, I tried. You're dead on about "King Kong".
Blucifer: Feel free to send me a private message here. I'm trying to do all(most) of my communications out of this forum. Thank you for the kind words.
FireStarter: I would have agreed with you a week ago about whistling in the wind. But I did a bit of checking around and I think we are developing true legs here. For example if you search google video for HGTV it will pull up a trailer or two fo their shows. HGTV spends huge money on getting viewers for it's programing. Their latest show has only had 100 hits in six months. If you do the same with PBS, you will see that their number one show's are about the environment, they average around three hundred hits per day. In the last week we (Garden Girl) is averaging around 800 hits per day. So I would like to say that this is a timing issue, people are tired of the same old thing, and want some new cookies. So I believe with my presence, experience, and appearance we are just what is needed to break this thing mainstream. Even with my big words.
GaryP: Isn't Charlie hot? I love Ground force always have. Organic? Well I'm "Certified Orgasmic"....that's a little garden humor. Keep thinking of more ideas, I like where you are going. This is tricky stuff. I especially love ideas 5 and 6 and 2.
Anni:Thank you well said.
Ludi: Yeah, what is wrong with a garden goddess? It's slut that bothers me.
Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 6:54 pm Post subject: Re: I made a TV show Sample and I need real feedback
Quote:
Aaron: Thanks for the thoughts on the makeover idea's. I don't know how I feel about it yet. In terms of "slut-goddess", I can tell you all, that I will just be me thats it. And if that works then great, if not, I tried. You're dead on about "King Kong".
I never said slut...
I may have mentioned that I think you are hotter than greek fire... inside a nuclear reactor... on the sun.
... but not slutty. _________________ "When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." - Stephen F Roberts.
Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 7:15 pm Post subject: Re: I made a TV show Sample and I need real feedback
FilmShack wrote:
I've met Bob, and trust me, he couldn't build his way out of a paper bag, me or the Tool Belt Diva could chump him in a heartbeat. They (Hosts) don't actually know or do anything, that seperates me from the rest.
Really, Bobs a stiff? I'm shocked.
Tool Belt Diva Norma's got sexy goddess cred though. Apparently she was once a lingerie model according to her site. Producers probably had to talk her into putting clothes ON for the show...
Over at itsnoteasybeinggreen theyre keeping is real. Real SEXY.
Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 8:18 pm Post subject: Re: I made a TV show Sample and I need real feedback
Aaron: I know you never said slut, it was Blister and he didn't mean that I was a slut, he was sugesting that I act like one, I think.....check your mail box on tuesday, and you better like it! I spent six hours on it!
Mayber I have no sence of irony, but I don't really understand what Blister is trying to say. Those people are sexy? Maybe it is an age thing, and I'm too old for the joke.
Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 8:19 pm Post subject: Re: I made a TV show Sample and I need real feedback
FilmShack wrote:
FireStarter: I would have agreed with you a week ago about whistling in the wind. But I did a bit of checking around and I think we are developing true legs here. For example if you search google video for HGTV it will pull up a trailer or two fo their shows. HGTV spends huge money on getting viewers for it's programing. Their latest show has only had 100 hits in six months. If you do the same with PBS, you will see that their number one show's are about the environment, they average around three hundred hits per day. In the last week we (Garden Girl) is averaging around 800 hits per day. So I would like to say that this is a timing issue, people are tired of the same old thing, and want some new cookies. So I believe with my presence, experience, and appearance we are just what is needed to break this thing mainstream. Even with my big words.
Patti
You said, "last week we (Garden Girl) is averaging around 800 hits per day." That was mostly me, as I went there 799 times .
Although I think it's a longshot at present, I do see a lot of potential with your concept, albeit down the road. When we enter into the inevitable economic malaise, perhaps this coming year, I think your idea gets legs, big time. As it stands right now Americans are too ignorant and lazy to allow you the mass appeal needed for commercial success. This doesn't mean you don't keep plugging away, but it does imply you need to be realistic regarding your target audience, which is still largely in its imbecilic, low attention span phase circa right now.
I had the pleasure of growing up around cutting edge, self reliant folks in the middle 70's and 80's. I lived a stone's throw from Karl Hess and the inimitable Roland Bergman. Bergman has lived without running water or electricity in his adobe hut for 30 years. He's a geography professor at Shepherd College outside of Wash, D.C. and although he'd be part of your can't miss target audience, it would be tough for you to communicate your message to him, as he is still off the grid. And that's the rub. Many of those who would seem to be your obvious audience targets ARE NOT TV WATCHERS IN THE FIRST PLACE.
You can't preach to the choir when they're not listening in the first place. That leaves you with, generally, Cretins and Phillistines who are over fed and under motivated. I'm certain the Madison Ave geeks will conclude likewise. Look back on JustinFrankel's comments. I think he touches on what I'm saying here much the same way. Still, I'm rooting for your success real hard. ithink it will come, but with the caveat of an economic need not foisted on the public as of yet.
Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 8:38 pm Post subject: Re: I made a TV show Sample and I need real feedback
Firestarter,
What I want to do isn't easy. That's one reason why I need so much help. My point is that the people that will watch my show will be a motivated audience. My show is still just a how to show, but think about the size of audience for it--
Gardeners, Cooking, Arts and Crafts, Construction, Animal lovers, homesteaders, .....On a basic "how to show" we cover so many groups that we can reach lots of audiences. Frankly people of the grid aren't the audience, it's the mainstreamers who pay for cable that is the audience. Watch the useless stuff they do on HGTV, DiscoveryHome, or to a lessor degree PBS. There is audience apparently for making scrap books. My show will be the only show that can help shift peoples mindsets. People that crap in a bucket don't care about TV. I want to have a better lifestyle post peak, not worse, they sent a man to the moon thirty years ago, we can find ways to work with the earth and still live meaningfull lives.
So I'm a dreamer--Did you leave a post on google yet? Huh? Shameless Self Promotion.
Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 9:39 pm Post subject: Re: I made a TV show Sample and I need real feedback
Patti,
You remind me of Barbra Streisand's character in The Way We Were. God, you've got loads of passion! I want you to succeed, honest.
I remember like it was yesterday when my dad built our home in the late 70's on the template from Mother Earth News. My friends laughed at us, but dad held true to his principles and built a largely self sustaining dwelling (Karl Hess did the welding. Google him if you don't recognize his name and impact on the alternative crowd) that mom and dad still live in today. So believe me, I sympathize with you a great deal. They watch TV, and I'm sure they'd love your offering to death. My cynical misanthropism gets the best of me, so I'm probably not the best analyzer of your prospects. You come off as a cheerful, full of life gal. I don't underestimate the power attending that energetic attitude of yours. Hope you prove me wrong sooner than later. You wouldn't be the first to do that, you know
Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 12:43 am Post subject: Re: I made a TV show Sample and I need real feedback
FilmShack wrote:
Mayber I have no sence of irony, but I don't really understand what Blister is trying to say. Those people are sexy? Maybe it is an age thing, and I'm too old for the joke.
Do I have to hit you over the head with it? Sex sells. Men respond to sex appeal. Men are literally wired and conditioned to respond just because of this fact. Of course, you already know this.
You want to appeal to the "angels of our better nature". Sadly, these angels do not watch TV.
Think about it this way: Sexual transactionalism is why men built the world you live in. If you want men to deconstruct and rebuild it in the fashion you're suggesting, you have use a motivator at a similar level of power... and sex has no equal. Thats all.
As you can already see there are quite a few eager beavers here ready to get started and what exactly have you shown us? Breastuses. Sad but true. There isn't a "show" here at all.
The female response is all "high fives, sister". The male response is, "Duhhh... your so pretty".
Connect that fact with the reality that women simply aren't at a place in our society where light construction is something they will do. In other words, Ms. Vally hasn't completed her public works project integrating the sexual division of labor yet as far as I can tell, and on the scale shown below, is simply going to move viewers from group 3 to group 1.
All this means is that your best bet is to address all possible markets:
1. Women who will pick up power tools. Check. Done. They might bitch and kvetch about what you wear, but they really don't care. They make up their own minds about things like chicken coops, and will appreciate you as an equal in any case.
2. Men who will pick up power tools. They have doubts. They are skeptical. They will not pay attention. Wait- you make "sexy time" with camera- voila! You have their attention. Then, man make chicken coop like man make fire. Nice. Then slaughter chicken and make roast chicken. Good. Interesting. Use knife, good. Make fire. Perhaps drink some beer. You are attractive, hold attention. Thats memorable.
3. Women who will not pick up power tools when they can easily get a man to do it. This group will look at you like you're an idiot. For one, your task is something any competent woman should be able to get her man to do for them. Ignoring for a minute that you're basically competing with a thing called a "restaurant" or "grocery store" as supplier of resource called "chicken", you basically should present this lifestyle as good or even better than the alternative, however you feel that is defined, as a woman, with the intention of piquing a woman's interest to the point where she decides that this is the direction she should go in life, at which point she will take over for you and oversee the construction as she directs a nearby man to do it (who will happily or unhappily do it, depending on various other factors.) In this example, you are selling the idea of having this stuff made. This is why you DON'T do everything yourself. You hype a project, and bring in the contractor/lackey/man, etc. This gives 1st world women an image they can relate to. They don't know power tools and building stuff- thats what men are for. Your average woman will look at you as if you are a spectacle. And spectacles are common.
Not having seen Ms. Vally's show, I will venture to guess that her visible role is less hands-on, and more delegatory (at least in how its cut). If you cut it right, it will all look seamless. Build coop, slaughter chicken, delegate authority, be sexy, make lifestyle pledge. With a balanced cut, each audience will cherry pick their attractors. You also have to speak to each group in a way that does not "Mock" them, like I mock them.
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Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 4:32 am Post subject: Re: I made a TV show Sample and I need real feedback
FilmShack wrote:
PS-this global warming has been a boon to my compost pile and vermiculture, I turned the pile this morning and goodness I have never seen such winter biodynamics in progress
I want to add one to the count of people that thinks your show has a lot of potential, and I hope that a lot of people see it.
RE global warming - be careful what you wish for. GW has the potential to actually reduce the length of growing seasons, as well as increasing the ferocity of storms that will damage crops, livestock and greenhouses.
Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 9:03 am Post subject: Re: I made a TV show Sample and I need real feedback
Hi, I'm new to this forum simply because I had to give you some feedback. From an artist's perspective, I thought it was great. From an amateur homesteader's perspective, I was geatly intrigued...you left me hungry for more. From a heterosexual female perspective, I thought the "level of sexiness" was just fine (lol). Yes, guys...I know that Charlie Dimock got a lot of English men learning how to create a water feature....
And as requested, I passed along the video link to the LiveJournal community "Urban Sustainability". ( http://community.livejournal.com/urban_sustain/ ) Only two comments so far, but both are positive as well. It would be wonderful if you could get a contract (I'd prefer PBS, as we chucked our cable company out the window....)
Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 12:15 pm Post subject: Re: I made a TV show Sample and I need real feedback
bheart: That squirell is way too funny! I think I have a couple of his drunk no good cousins leaving with me here! Thank you so much for posting for me! Keep going, don't stop, ask others..(shameless self promotion).
doober: Thank you for the kind words. I wasn't wishing for GW at anyway, I was making an obervation of my compost(crap) pile that I thought was funny/ironic. Trust me I'm terrified of climate change.
Blistered: "what exactly have you shown us? Breastuses. Sad but true. There isn't a "show" here at all."
Why comment so much then? When you say things like that I want to cry. I'm learning to be tough, but I'm bit overly sensitive, but I asked for it so I accept it. But back home in Harlem, you might get cut for talking to someone with b movie dialogue like that. Do you speak to the women you know from Quentin Tarrantino scripts? "True Romance" you have to be kidding me. Politics and Sexual Politics is for someone else, not my banner or cause. Mine is about common sence. Please debate male and female roles in western society somewhere else. By the way I never intended to show you how to do anything in that show sample, it's only five minutes. That's why I call it a "Rough Show Sample".
Just because our messages are over the internet, doesn't mean I'm not a real person with real feelings. There is something in the way or tone that your presenting your ideas that I find a bit hurtful on a personal level. Please, if you want to make an example of my show to support a sexual political arguement, put up a post on some sexual political site and start the debate there, lots of people will respond I bet.(See how I turned that into shameless self promotion! Now I'm good, did you see that?)
Thank you all for your support. It means a lot, networks take data like this seriously, and we had another huge day yesterday! 985 more views!(Google doesn't re count views, it tracks them as unique views but thanks anyway Firestarter keep watching and shareing.) Hopefully we can break a hundred votes by the end of the weekend, only five more to go.
I lost one of the bunnies...maybe that has me a little sensitive and depressed.
Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 12:43 pm Post subject: Re: I made a TV show Sample and I need real feedback
Patti, I wouldn't worry overly about Blistered. He's the type to treat 'em mean to keep 'em keen, which is why he doesn't really know any girls in the real world.
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