EEStor may be for real

JRP3 · Heavy Crude Joined: Oct 23, 2006 Posts: 396

http://www.greencarcongress.com/2007/01/eestor_announce.html#more

NeoPeasant · Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 10:22 pm Post subject: Re: EEStor may be for real

I hope that not too many resources get squandered and not too many investors get wiped out in the pursuit of this electric car for the masses dead end.

One day soon we will will realize that energy is real important for things like producing food and distributing water and staying warm and stuff. And that we have already pissed away far too much of it on the ridiculous concept of personal automobility for everyone. I'm not saying that a breakthrough in electrical energy storage wouldn't be a good thing, just that it shouldn't be wasted on trying to extend the automobile age.
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gg3 · Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 10:40 pm Post subject: Re: EEStor may be for real

Hey NeoPeasant: Do you want your produce delivered to the farmers' market in a refrigerated van so it stays fresh, or in an un-refrigerated horse-drawn wagon where some of it goes bad along the way? Do you want your refuse collected in an enclosed vehicle or by an open horse-drawn wagon that's buzzing with flies? And I suppose people who are older or disabled and can't pedal to town and back should be stuck at home to watch the world go by through their front windows..?

Oh, and what are you going to do about all the horse crap? Before motorized transport, it was 12 to 18 inches deep on the streets of most cities.

Well...?

KhanCEO · Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 12:11 am Post subject: Re: EEStor may be for real

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undertaker · permanently banned Joined: Oct 08, 2006 Posts: 194

Cleaning horse manure from the streets and gathering it to sell to farmers and gardeners would be a truly useful job, unlike travel agents, salespeople, marketing executives, telemarketers, etc., etc.

I used to work mucking stables and it was a great job. Horse manure doesn't even smell bad. It's just partially digested grass or hay.

WisJim · Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 7:58 am Post subject: Re: EEStor may be for real

Food sold at farmers marked could be produced close enough that refrigerated transportation isn't required. The local farmer's market is mostly growers within 5 to 10 miles, and the only ones with refrigeration are selling meat or dairy products.

The big problem with food transportation is that food is shipped a lot farther than necessary. Local growers is part of the solution. Use energy to extendt the growing season to grow food locally.

JRP3 · Heavy Crude Joined: Oct 23, 2006 Posts: 396

All good points, but missing the main point. The personal transportation industry will continue as long as it can. Switching to electric vehicles is a positive step. If batteries like the NanoSafe and ultracaps like the EEStor work as advertised and last as expected, there are many ways to generate power with little impact on small scale. Enough to power once or twice weekly trips to market if necessary. Home solar and wind generation doesn't have to be a large system if you don't need to drive the vehicle every day. Vehicles will also last longer if not driven daily, so fewer resources will be consumed in manufacturing.

Most importantly of course, population needs to be controlled if anything is going to work.

diemos · Tar Sands Joined: Sep 23, 2005 Posts: 69

I have no idea why they promote this for transport when its application with real impact is home storage. Put one of these in the basement and you can store enough power for two days of normal household usage. Store solar and wind and top off with cheap grid power at night and you have a major impact on our electrical system. These will mitigate peak load issues on the grid and make intermittent power sources practical. I forsee one in every home if they can actually deliver.

JRP3 · Heavy Crude Joined: Oct 23, 2006 Posts: 396

americandream · Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 9:17 pm Post subject: Re: EEStor may be for real

zoidberg · Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 5:11 pm Post subject: Re: EEStor may be for real

lardlad · Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 12:27 pm Post subject: Re: EEStor may be for real

More: http://www.techreview.com/Biztech/18086/

JRP3 · Heavy Crude Joined: Oct 23, 2006 Posts: 396

EEStor still alive. And kicking?

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steam_cannon · Expert Joined: Dec 28, 2006 Posts: 2560 Location: MA

Looks like a technology to keep an eye on. I saw a pretty good story of success using flow batteries on King Island Australia for evening out wind power. They halved the islands imports of diesel for electric generating. Technologies like this could make renewable power generation like wind power much more feasible. Plus it may be used for many other activities of modern life.

I liked Kingcoal's comment today about electricity storage.