For a minute there I thought I had to get off my couch, when all the while the fact is we don't have to do anything much but keep things afloat for just a few decades more! In fact, we'd best shut up about PO, because if our offspring finds out we knew about it all along, they'll turn and wring our necks come 2036!
Joined: Nov 04, 2004 Posts: 8 Location: Central Alberta
Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2004 2:13 am Post subject:
"Abstinence"
Amen.
Self-control will be a most essential quality for the surviving and thriving man and woman of the Post-Oil Age. NFP promotes relationship harmony, is extremely effective when used as it should be, and costs nothing, leaving one with more useful time on their hands.
Hi btw, that is my first post. I came to the site on my brother's recommendation, just a few short hours ago. I have had quite a surreal evening of it, not out of keeping with my life of the last few months, yet of exponentially greater consequence. _________________ I wasted time,
and now doth time waste me.
William Shakespeare
Joined: Oct 23, 2004 Posts: 485 Location: Canada/Quebec Province
Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2004 6:21 am Post subject:
Muffin wrote:
Hi btw, that is my first post. I came to the site on my brother's recommendation, just a few short hours ago. I have had quite a surreal evening of it, not out of keeping with my life of the last few months, yet of exponentially greater consequence.
I feel your pain Muffin ..It was the same thing for me a couple of months ago ! Some times, it may be possible you will want to be able to forget. Getting out of the rank and thinking again most of to the poeple you know is a uneasy thing to do ...
And to see what is happening right now in the world ( Bush re-elected, Ghawar may peak really soon ) ,it make me a bit sick of humankind ..
Opps I have said enough Fark and shits on this forum to make a small child cry. But, thats just my personality.
Oh, and about the sex thing. Like most people say, there will be less people in the future so it won't really matter, but you know, I would not go sleeping around or anything cause of all those STD's. And if all else fails I guess you could just masturbate.
Joined: Nov 04, 2004 Posts: 8 Location: Central Alberta
Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 12:24 am Post subject:
Quote:
I would not go sleeping around or anything cause of all those STD's.
Smart thinkin'. Since the advent of the birth control pill in the 1950s, the number of STDs has gone from just a handful into 30+ main differentiations, with over 75,000 different strains of them running amok. The incidence of Human Papilloma Virus (causing genital warts) in North American sexually active females aged 15-25 is one in four. There are plenty of such statistics, many of these STDs are incurable, I could go on but it would be too much to say here. Without further rumination, I say sex is best only within the context of marriage. The last thing we need to do is have a country full of people using catastrophe as an excuse for a mammoth woodstock festival. _________________ I wasted time,
and now doth time waste me.
William Shakespeare
Joined: Nov 04, 2004 Posts: 8 Location: Central Alberta
Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 12:32 am Post subject:
...And by marriage I mean a committed monogamous relationship between two people. Just personal opinion, don't take offense. _________________ I wasted time,
and now doth time waste me.
William Shakespeare
Joined: Sep 28, 2004 Posts: 216 Location: Hillsboro, West Virginia
Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 1:25 pm Post subject:
When using the rhythm method, the safe days are five days after the end of the woman's menstrual bleeding. The prime getting-pregnant days begin a few days after that and continue for about a week, days 10-18. The chance of a pregnancy are less from 18 to 23, but not zero. And then the plumbing needs another overhaul...
Joined: Nov 04, 2004 Posts: 8 Location: Central Alberta
Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 6:17 pm Post subject:
Right...I don't know much about NFP, just some stats about its effectiveness and such. The new methods such as Billings are much more ergonomic than the rhythm method. It wouldn't be a bad idea to get a book or two on all that; it will inevitably come in handy in whatever new communities spring up. Er...survive.
We can make speculative prognostications about sex, food, and other facets of "What Life Will Be Like" like there's no tomorrow (no pun intended) but when it all comes down to it we're likely going to see our plans altered to a greater or lesser degree; there isn't much we can depend on to go the way we think it will.
I apologize if I sound preachy; I first visited the lifeaftertheoilcrash on Thursday, got the book online yesterday, finished it this afternoon, and feel a little numb; I've got PO Vertigo. _________________ I wasted time,
and now doth time waste me.
William Shakespeare
Joined: Oct 23, 2004 Posts: 485 Location: Canada/Quebec Province
Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 6:38 pm Post subject:
Muffin wrote:
I apologize if I sound preachy; I first visited the lifeaftertheoilcrash on Thursday, got the book online yesterday, finished it this afternoon, and feel a little numb; I've got PO Vertigo.
No need to apoligize my friend !
I've myself read this one..kinda hard to digest,isn't !?
So little people are aware of the time to come,so much to learn and so feew time ahead..make me wonder if i'll be able to make a backup plan before things become to fall appart !
All i know,if there is a Dieoff (and i believe it will happen),is i'll try to be valuable and do my best to help as much i can..but i will only be able to do it after the dieoff ! No choice,there is NO WAY to save them all,even the one's i cherish dearly ...
If things go like i think they will,i see a lot of darkness and suffering on Earth for Humankind,and to know it is by our OWN fault don't really confort me !
Right now,i'm wondering where to go to prepare myself..i have family all around Quebec province,and my choice may very well be a death sentence for the one's i will not go near...
Joined: Nov 04, 2004 Posts: 8 Location: Central Alberta
Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 8:25 pm Post subject:
I live in Canada too; central Alberta. I was born in Fort Macmurray (where oil sands are) then spent my early/mid childhood in Leduc (where more oil sands are), and I now reside in Edmonton. My dad works in Fort Mac in the oil rigs, where, in his own words, he "makes multi-million dollar decisions for major oil companies". I wonder if he knows anything about global oil shortages. He may not, despite his heavy involvement, because he deals more with the development of communications networks within the oilfields themselves.
Things may not be so socially oppressive for me as I am not isolated in my awareness. My brother (who also lives in Edmonton) stumbled upon the link for lifeaftertheoilcrash this spring, did his research, tipped me off a week ago, and is doing his best now to inform our friends. There are two others for sure on board, with possibly more. We are all young; myself being the youngest, working on Grade 12.
What keeps popping into my head is the number of years I lived in Leduc, where we went swimming at the "Black Gold" community pool. I didn't understand or imagine what it meant then...
But all this belongs on a PO Vertigo support group thread. _________________ I wasted time,
and now doth time waste me.
William Shakespeare
So, BACK TO THE SUBJECT : How to do birth control under a collapsing civilisation
This begs the question: What are nature's natural birth controls? That's easy. Disease. Smallpox, cholera, diptheria, etc. Natures checks and balances that mankind has found ways around. Whenever a species population exceeds the carrying capacity of it's environment, disease and the inability to reproduce sets in. Look at all the fertility clinics springing up. 37% of all deaths last year were disease related. When the standard of medial care drops, disease will have a resurgence in developed countries; epidemics will be rampant. AIDS, SARS, and the Ebola virus are just precursors. Mother Nature always bats last, and she is a big hitter. _________________ A Saudi saying, "My father rode a camel. I drive a car. My son flies a jet-plane. His son will ride a camel."
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Joined: Oct 23, 2004 Posts: 485 Location: Canada/Quebec Province
Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 1:26 am Post subject:
MonteQuest wrote:
This begs the question: What are nature's natural birth controls? That's easy. Disease. Smallpox, cholera, diptheria, etc. Natures checks and balances that mankind has found ways around. Whenever a species population exceeds the carrying capacity of it's environment, disease and the inability to reproduce sets in. Look at all the fertility clinics springing up. 37% of all deaths last year were disease related. When the standard of medial care drops, disease will have a resurgence in developed countries; epidemics will be rampant. AIDS, SARS, and the Ebola virus are just precursors. Mother Nature always bats last, and she is a big hitter.
Yep,mother is kinda hard with his childreens ..
But we have to grow a bit,don't you think !? Humankind,with what we will face in the future could maybe able to try to learn and finaly get the lesson ,once for all ! If we do it,Mother will not have to beat the crap out of his childreen anymore ...
Finding NOW, others natural (herbs !?? or anything else) way to put a efficient birth control may be put a end at the shitty cycle we face periodicaly !
I may very well day dreaming,but at the end,i feel the game worth the candle..
Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 10:11 am Post subject: Solution
Birth control after the Peak -- If you can get your hands on a lemon and some cotton wool you're in luck. Squeeze some lemon juice on the cotton wool and have the woman insert the cotton wool into her vagina up by the cervix. The lemon juice acts as a spermicide and has the side benefit of killing the HIV virus.
Please spread the word about this. Check it out for yourself on Google.
When using the rhythm method, the safe days are five days after the end of the woman's menstrual bleeding. The prime getting-pregnant days begin a few days after that and continue for about a week, days 10-18. The chance of a pregnancy are less from 18 to 23, but not zero. And then the plumbing needs another overhaul...
Jerry Abbott
IF you ever wondered why there are so many catholics in the world, look to the rythm method. It's notoriously unreliable. Not all women have a stock standard cycle and even if they do have a 28 days it does not necessarilly mean that they will ovulate at the same point in the cycle. The only way to be sure is to be aware of the signals the body gives as indicators to the current stage of cycle.
Please would folks with old wives tales and sure info they heard from a friend of a friend, refrain from giving advice on this subject. If someone is trusting enough to take such tripe as gospel you could well be responsible for an unplanned pregnancy that may have an enourmous effect on their life.
And please anyone looking for advice, don't stake your birth control on advice you've seen on a forum (including mine) until you've verified the info yourself via a reputable source.
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