How then, do we move backwards? How does a society, with most of the people having no clue of future events, move from being dependent on a vast and intertwined network of goods and services produced by the indigenous people of whereever, to a local resource and renewable energy based society, and do so in the timeframe available (20-30 years using the most liberal extimates, 10-20 with resonable estimates, 5-10 with worst case scenarios), all the while prices on everything increasing, world politics getting more militaristic, governments continuously reducing civil liberties, shortages of goods on the market and weather patterns resembling bad Hollywood movies?
Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 10:18 am Post subject: Re: Suggestions for "Member Quotes"
Bas wrote:
Aaron wrote:
No matter how good we get at ethanol production it still amounts to food for fuel.
Thanks...
Include a link with quotes, so I can link the thread in the members quotes block... _________________ "When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." - Stephen F Roberts.
PS I'm don't know how to make a link with quote and have actually been wondering how people do that...i think this is not what you mean _________________ "The best thing about the future is that it comes only one day at a time."
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Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 12:27 pm Post subject: Re: Suggestions for "Member Quotes"
MonteQuest wrote:
Our devotion to political correctness, human rights and the sanctity of human life is born of a full belly. We have developed these notions as a result of having full bellies.
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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 12:33 pm Post subject: Re: Suggestions for "Member Quotes"
Dohboi wrote:
Peak oil has barely if ever hit the NYT pages, much less the front page. Now it is mentioned at least, but as a minor, fringe view, to be scoffed at. What did Gandhi say? First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. (Or something like that.)
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 6:17 pm Post subject: Re: Suggestions for "Member Quotes"
DantesPeak wrote:
Oil markets have perversely interpreted oil production cuts as a sign of market weakness instead of a possible sign of the peak of Saudi – or even possibly worldwide - conventional oil production
Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 5:14 am Post subject: Re: Suggestions for "Member Quotes"
I only know my own member:
killJOY wrote:
15 CREATOR of light, excreter of Babylonian bitumen pits, hoarder of lignite coal seams, secretor of natural gas liquids blisters, depositor of kerogen-soaked Colorado shales, igniter of zeal for all things hydrocarbon:
16 Thou hast said, "Behold, I will send you corn, and wine, and oil, and ye shall be satisfied therewith";
17 And we say,
"We shall not.
We want more.
Let more come,
As always,
From the have-nots."
Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 12:45 pm Post subject: Re: Suggestions for "Member Quotes"
Ludi wrote:
The only really sustainable and renewable energy is that passing through the Earth's life systems - we can't call it sustainable or renewable if we obstruct it and prevent it from fullfilling its function, as might be the case with widescale wind, solar, tidal, or biofuel.
Edit: Bah! Beat me to it! _________________ A Saudi saying, "My father rode a camel. I drive a car. My son flies a jet-plane. His son will ride a camel."
Live in Arizona? Check out: http://sustainablearizona.org and read my blog.
The global increase of the population number by 35-40% by 2050 won't increase energy use significantly. As there's enough food for far more people than the 9-10 billion that will live in 2050, that's not the problem, too.
again. _________________ "Every junkie's like a setting sun..." - Neil Young
Joined: Oct 04, 2004 Posts: 4951 Location: Oklahoma
Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 1:07 am Post subject: Re: Suggestions for "Member Quotes"
EnergyUnlimited wrote:
No working global government + collapsing economy + falling energy supply + intractable environmental issues +... = certain and not mitigable defeat of global civilization, period.
If only all good citizens would pick just one politician to spit on, maybe we could drown our problems.
I said spit, but I was thinking something a lot more unfriendly.
I nominate this for quote of the year 2007, at the very least quote of the summer! _________________ Oxygen: - An intensely habit-forming accumulative toxic substance. As little
as one breath is known to produce a life-long addiction to the gas, which addiction invariably ends in death.--Isaac Asimov
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